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yedaki_de
May 4th, 2009, 12:38 AM
as a Outdoor-Skater doing mostly distance, I always are intrested to get a wheel with good roll AND comfort.

The Abec11 Flywheel seemed to me from what I read in the longboard-society perfect for my needs. Big hub 45mm, Urethane 15,5mm, Diameter 76mm, 81a

The Problem: Centerset core, so they are not suitable out of the box for skates.

Again as I did before with the Seismic Speedvent (http://www.skatelogforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11249), I used the lathe of my brother in law to modify the wheels.

Fresh from the postman...
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3373/3497371209_46dc503d1b.jpg


During the turning
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3329/3497356863_26f4b34936.jpg


The drilling of the bearing-seat.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3412/3497356857_80c92ba485.jpg


The result :-)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3362/3497371195_82bf671fcc.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3365/3497371219_57f9f16f7f.jpg

All Images: http://www.flickr.com/photos/33271240@N03/sets/72157617559680111/


I got my first impressions today:

1: About speed, they feel fast, but I was as fast as before with my 80a Kryptos.
2: Comfort, they handle bad surface rearly very well, better than the Kryptos and even much better then the 83a Seismic Speedvent. And the Flywheels keep the speed better on bad surfaces.


Johannes

jammn'beck
May 4th, 2009, 12:44 AM
bad azz how you lathed em.......they look sick!

MFND
May 4th, 2009, 12:59 AM
Nice.

Barf
May 4th, 2009, 04:43 AM
They look awful close to the sole of the boot. No wheelbite?

Armadillo
May 4th, 2009, 06:17 AM
as a Outdoor-Skater doing mostly distance, I always are intrested to get a wheel with good roll AND comfort.

The Abec11 Flywheel seemed to me from what I read in the longboard-society perfect for my needs. Big hub 45mm, Urethane 15,5mm, Diameter 76mm, 81a

The Problem: Centerset core, so they are not suitable out of the box for skates.

Again as I did before with the Seismic Speedvent (http://www.skatelogforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11249), I used the lathe of my brother in law to modify the wheels.

Fresh from the postman...
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3373/3497371209_46dc503d1b.jpg


The drilling of the bearing-seat.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3412/3497356857_80c92ba485.jpg


The result :-)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3365/3497371219_57f9f16f7f.jpg

All Images: http://www.flickr.com/photos/33271240@N03/sets/72157617559680111/


I got my first impressions today:

1: About speed, they feel fast, but I was as fast as before with my 80a Kryptos.
2: Comfort, they handle bad surface rearly very well, better than the Kryptos and even much better then the 83a Seismic Speedvent. And the Flywheels keep the speed better on bad surfaces.


Johannes

Johannes,
Most interesting info you post Johannes, and I recently spent 1.5Hrs. on the phone with Chris Chaput, founder of the ABEC11 company and designer of these wheels. I was trying to find out whether he still had any of his older wheels from 2001-2002 when he made 50mm hubs that were SIDE-SET.
I told him of my project to build the best possible outdoor standard style (not Skorpion, etc) Quad skates. He was very interested and most helpful. He offered to scrounge up whatever he could find that weren't Museum pieces, for me to test. I also, said I would test his current wheels, if I could rent some time on a decent lathe.

My main concern was the weight of the current wheels, even after they are made narrower. This was why I wanted the 50mm hubs instead of 45mm. Why did you have to machine the hubs? Were your axles too short for the .400" bearing spread? How come you left the lip on the outside? If you removed the lip, do you think the wheels would be too narrow? The ABEC11s seem slightly wider than the Seismics. Did you find that the Seismics were too narrow?

Since you have just done exactly what I told Chris I would be trying to do, I am most eager to learn as much as possible on how these wheels perform. So far you are confirming everything I have said about how I expected they would improve the outdoor Quad skating experience. But I am still wanting my URETHANE THICKNESS to be much less - from 9 to 12mm max.

With your wheels so close to the plate underside, have you considered reducing the wheel diameters a little, perhaps down to 74 or 72mm?
With no toe (or Heel ) stops, do you use your wheels as brakes? If so, I guess this will bring them down to the 72-74mm range fairly soon.

Please give us some further follow up as you rack up some more kilometers!

All the Best,
-Armadillo

yedaki_de
May 4th, 2009, 10:21 PM
They look awful close to the sole of the boot. No wheelbite?

No wheelbite, here is a closeup:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3585/3497356881_aa2e6ef8ff.jpg

The rounded backside leaves even more space.

Until now I had no wheelbite.

Johannes

yedaki_de
May 4th, 2009, 11:14 PM
Johannes,
Most interesting info you post Johannes, and I recently spent 1.5Hrs. on the phone with Chris Chaput, founder of the ABEC11 company and designer of these wheels. I was trying to find out whether he still had any of his older wheels from 2001-2002 when he made 50mm hubs that were SIDE-SET.
I told him of my project to build the best possible outdoor standard style (not Skorpion, etc) Quad skates. He was very interested and most helpful. He offered to scrounge up whatever he could find that weren't Museum pieces, for me to test. I also, said I would test his current wheels, if I could rent some time on a decent lathe.


I am glad to hear that Chris Chaput meight be intrested on Quadwheels.
The 50 mm hub sideset would be nice.


My main concern was the weight of the current wheels, even after they are made narrower. This was why I wanted the 50mm hubs instead of 45mm.


With those big wheels we are anyway on the heavier side, a machined flywheel with bearings is about 146 g
Maybe you get it with the bigger hub to 130g.



Why did you have to machine the hubs? Were your axles too short for the .400" bearing spread?


That is the case. The clip-axles ar to short. But for the most threaded axles I dont expect a problem.


How come you left the lip on the outside? If you removed the lip, do you think the wheels would be too narrow? The ABEC11s seem slightly wider than the Seismics. Did you find that the Seismics were too narrow?


I left the outer lip because it was possible with the centerset hub. To make it narrower is quick done.
The second is the action. If the wheel is more to the outside, the axle is viritualy longer and steering is easier.
In that case the Seismics are a bit to narrow.
But the Seismics have 83a and the wide hub. They perform well on good surface, but what you gain there on speed, you loose on bad surface.



Since you have just done exactly what I told Chris I would be trying to do, I am most eager to learn as much as possible on how these wheels perform. So far you are confirming everything I have said about how I expected they would improve the outdoor Quad skating experience. But I am still wanting my URETHANE THICKNESS to be much less - from 9 to 12mm max.


I only have to compare the Kryptos 80a, Rolline Heliums, modified Seismic 83a and Flywheels 81a.
Until now I can rank the Comfort:
1.Flywheel
2.Krypto
3.Seismic
4.Heliums

Suprisingly the speeds are not that different on averange surface.


With your wheels so close to the plate underside, have you considered reducing the wheel diameters a little, perhaps down to 74 or 72mm?


I thought about, but it is not nessesary, space is there (...on my plates...)


Please give us some further follow up as you rack up some more kilometers!


I will do of course.

Johannes

Armadillo
May 4th, 2009, 11:30 PM
Johannnes,

Do you ever use tee-nuts inside the boot combined with low head profile screws? This could give you 5+mm more clearance from the wheel hitting the nut.
If I cant GLUE my shoe/boot on the plates, then Button Head allen screws are my 2nd choice. They look really clean and the chrome plated or colored titanium ones can offer some extra bling too.

-Armadillo

yedaki_de
May 5th, 2009, 05:11 PM
Johannnes,

Do you ever use tee-nuts inside the boot combined with low head profile screws? This could give you 5+mm more clearance from the wheel hitting the nut.
If I cant GLUE my shoe/boot on the plates, then Button Head allen screws are my 2nd choice. They look really clean and the chrome plated or colored titanium ones can offer some extra bling too.

-Armadillo

Yes, I used normaly t-nuts, but here the Bonts came with screws, I used those. But the inner front-screw is a t-nut mount because there I had issues with my ball. The T-Nut is better.
The wheels dont interfear with the nuts, the nut are in different places.

Johannes

okie
May 6th, 2009, 01:00 AM
Peralta Bones skateboard wheels with the rear skate board truck "off set" machined and the outer O.D. is a rideable 64MM. No bearing hole mod needed for skate bearings.

Urethane is rated @ 97A,but rides alot different than a hubbed wheel. The complete assembly flexes and absorbs vibration and jolts. Yet is fast and grippy.

I did put speed grooves in them to.

Okie

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg109/maicomanron/HPIM0320.jpg

okie
May 6th, 2009, 01:06 AM
72MM Kryptos. There a little heavy but roll fast and run over most stuff. Bolt right on most all skates.

Okie

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg109/maicomanron/HPIM0480.jpg

Barf
May 6th, 2009, 04:06 AM
Peralta Bones skateboard wheels with the rear skate board truck "off set" machined and the outer O.D. is a rideable 64MM. No bearing hole mod needed for skate bearings.


Okie, tell me more about the skateboard hangars you machined.. I'm assuming you just cut them so the hangar is a bit wider than a standard quad truck, to make up for the non-sideset hub on the 'board wheels. What kind of 'board truck was the donor for those hangars?

I'd much rather try this than mutilate my 'board wheels.

GLiB
August 17th, 2009, 04:58 AM
Very nice. You make my mind whirl w/ ideas.:biggrin:

as a Outdoor-Skater doing mostly distance, I always are intrested to get a wheel with good roll AND comfort.

The Abec11 Flywheel seemed to me from what I read in the longboard-society perfect for my needs. Big hub 45mm, Urethane 15,5mm, Diameter 76mm, 81a

The Problem: Centerset core, so they are not suitable out of the box for skates.

Again as I did before with the Seismic Speedvent (http://www.skatelogforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11249), I used the lathe of my brother in law to modify the wheels.

Fresh from the postman...
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3373/3497371209_46dc503d1b.jpg


During the turning
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3329/3497356863_26f4b34936.jpg


The drilling of the bearing-seat.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3412/3497356857_80c92ba485.jpg


The result :-)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3362/3497371195_82bf671fcc.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3365/3497371219_57f9f16f7f.jpg

All Images: http://www.flickr.com/photos/33271240@N03/sets/72157617559680111/


I got my first impressions today:

1: About speed, they feel fast, but I was as fast as before with my 80a Kryptos.
2: Comfort, they handle bad surface rearly very well, better than the Kryptos and even much better then the 83a Seismic Speedvent. And the Flywheels keep the speed better on bad surfaces.


Johannes

yedaki_de
November 5th, 2010, 08:13 PM
After using the 1.set of Abec11 Flywheels now for about 1 1/2 year, its time for a new set.

The used ones wear down to 70mm. The skatefeeling is still fast, but less comfortable on bad surfaces.

Today I gave the new ones a first go, 73km whith strong headwind (http://www.inlinemap.net/route/748217), but it was quite warm for november, 15 degree C. and some sunshine

They felt a bit slower than the old ones, but today I used my stainless bearings and maybe those are the reason for it.

Some photos for comparision:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4132/5149331232_81edc140ed.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4108/5149331230_e419759f17.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1316/5149331216_3b98f6f517.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1144/5149331220_9912b6877c_z.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4126/5149331226_1da761765d.jpg


Johannes

cass38a
November 6th, 2010, 12:23 AM
Your skates look better the older they get, just the way they should.

Big Nick
November 6th, 2010, 01:07 AM
Your skates look better the older they get, just the way they should.
Ha ha I was just about to say the same thing!
they seriously look like a skate that gets used the way they should!

cojaco61
November 6th, 2010, 03:11 AM
Ha ha I was just about to say the same thing!
they seriously look like a skate that gets used the way they should!

Americans everywhere are fainting and saying!

OMG, they are dirty!!!!:D:D:D:D:D

Big Nick
November 6th, 2010, 02:36 PM
I love that they stand on their toes
http://serve.mysmiley.net/happy/happy0158.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-sad-smileys.php)

yedaki_de
November 6th, 2010, 05:41 PM
better to hear that the used skates looking good:):):)
than to hear "... cleaning, maintenance for the good boens..."

Here I have to share some ways with harvesting machines and tractors.

In a short while the new wheels looking like the old ones, I am sure.

Johannes

Gero
November 30th, 2010, 09:50 AM
Johannes,
Most interesting info you post Johannes, and I recently spent 1.5Hrs. on the phone with Chris Chaput, founder of the ABEC11 company and designer of these wheels. I told him of my project to build the best possible outdoor standard style (not Skorpion, etc) Quad skates. He was very interested and most helpful. He offered to scrounge up whatever he could find that weren't Museum pieces, for me to test. I also, said I would test his current wheels, if I could rent some time on a decent lathe.


Hi Armadillo,

is there any update in your communication and thoughts with Chris Chaput?

Is there maybe the chance to get the best possible outdoor wheel for Quadskates developed by ABEC11?

I would vote for a diameter between 76-80mm and a durometer in the low 80s (82a to 85a) for the heavier guys (what I am with around 200lbs) and maybe 78 to 81a for the lightweight outdoor skaters.

Since the Pacer Velocity Race (Can't anyone beg to Pacer for start producing them again? I would buy the first 5 sets!!!) are not more buyable on the market and my last set are on the trucks I urgently need a good alternative for comfortable and fast outdoor speed skating especially for longer distances (40 to 140km).

Cheers

Gero

BananasRUS
November 30th, 2010, 10:17 PM
I sent Armadillo an e-mail asking him if he ever did hear from Chris Chaput. He sent me a reply that states, and I quote,

"The ABEC-11 side-set wheels from 2001 with 50mm hubs were discontinued because the skateboarders did not like the fact that the thinner layer of urethane that resulted from a big diameter hub meant that their wheels wore out more quickly. So despite any performance gains from this design concept, they voted against the idea and it was soon abandoned. Chris offered to scrounge up a set if he could find one, but I decided not to pursue something that was in effect 'unobtanium.' ".

I also sent a couple of e-mails to ABEC about this subject, as well as calling them on the phone and leaving a message. I never heard back from them at all, for whatever reason.

I would also like to contact Pacer about the Velocity Race wheels they made in both 65mm and 70mm sizes. I have some 65mm ones that are still in the packages, but there is nothing on them about a company name, address. etc. Just a "stylized" P, like what is on each wheel. After a search, I came up with nothing.

I, for one, would like to see if anyone would make another 65-75mm 78A-82A wheel with a 35-50MM hub for outdoor use, as I know the demand is there for them. I would buy ten sets for myself, just so I could always have some on hand!

Armadillo, I hope I did not rain on your parade by answering this for you, but I thought I would share the answer you gave me with the Forum, if you don't mind.

Gero
November 30th, 2010, 11:38 PM
I would also like to contact Pacer about the Velocity Race wheels they made in both 65mm and 70mm sizes. I have some 65mm ones that are still in the packages, but there is nothing on them about a company name, address. etc. Just a "stylized" P, like what is on each wheel. After a search, I came up with nothing.


Maybe ask Doc Skate about PACERs contact data?:confused:

Armadillo
December 3rd, 2010, 06:42 AM
Hi Armadillo,

is there any update in your communication and thoughts with Chris Chaput?

Is there maybe the chance to get the best possible outdoor wheel for Quadskates developed by ABEC11?

I would vote for a diameter between 76-80mm and a durometer in the low 80s (82a to 85a) for the heavier guys (what I am with around 200lbs) and maybe 78 to 81a for the lightweight outdoor skaters.

Since the Pacer Velocity Race (Can't anyone beg to Pacer for start producing them again? I would buy the first 5 sets!!!) are not more buyable on the market and my last set are on the trucks I urgently need a good alternative for comfortable and fast outdoor speed skating especially for longer distances (40 to 140km).

Cheers

Gero

I am sorry to say that Mr Chaput's offer to provide some of the ABEC11 70+mm and 50mm hub, side set wheels from 2001-2002 was based on his thought that there might still be some limited number old stock wheels that he could part with (not any new production run).

Although the molds for the hubs likely still exist, lacking a large volume order and a multi-thousand dollar deposit, I doubt any new production run of these older design wheels will be happening any time in the near future.

-Armadillo