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Armadillo
June 10th, 2010, 09:44 PM
Final build PIC of the 2nd Nike BB shoe outdoor build with Skins Size 4 plate on a size 9 Nike lightweight (338 grams) BB shoe.

Note that Laser SA trucks were used. This required lengthening kingpins by using 3/8-24 Grade 8 steel bolts (heavy) and adding two additional aluminum washers on top, below the plate saddle washer and the "threadless" jam nut.
1/8" thick carbon fiber laminate sheet also used between top of plate and shoe sole to make the reversed plate scheme work.
Reversed Sure Grip Super Cushion yellow cones were also used at bottom side of truck to give a "Semi-DA" action

Total plate weight ~1270 grams with 65mm Twister wheels and 1350 with 70mm Twisters.
http://i489.photobucket.com/albums/rr259/RRLedford/Skins/IMG_3817.jpg

-Armadillo

Armadillo
June 14th, 2010, 04:15 AM
After kingpin hex sockets were filled with epoxy, plates are sanded & ready to have the carbon fiber laminate sheets glued to the top of the Skins plates.

http://i489.photobucket.com/albums/rr259/RRLedford/Skins/IMG_3809.jpg

More washers were added above top cushion later to improve Laser SA truck match up with Skins plate

http://i489.photobucket.com/albums/rr259/RRLedford/Skins/IMG_3811.jpg

Grooves in sole were "primed" and prefilled with Shoe Goo adhesive - two applications - prior to final gluing clamp up.

http://i489.photobucket.com/albums/rr259/RRLedford/Skins/IMG_3814.jpg

Final assemble clamp up with excess glue left in place until initial curing is completed. Semi-cured glue is MUCH easier to remove cleanly then WET glue!
http://i489.photobucket.com/albums/rr259/RRLedford/Skins/IMG_3813.jpg

-Armadillo

Iggy
June 15th, 2010, 05:52 PM
Those plates look like they're mounted too far back. Not saying it needs to be Aussie mounted, but the front axle looks like it's at the ball of the foot and the rear axle looks like it's behind the ankle. You hit a rock on those and you gonna get up close and personal with the pavement.

The wheelbase looks shorter than what you normally use. And it looks like you still mounted it the same way with the heel of the boot clear back at the end of the plate. If it is a shorter plate, it needs pushed forward more.

Armadillo
June 15th, 2010, 07:23 PM
Those plates look like they're mounted too far back. Not saying it needs to be Aussie mounted, but the front axle looks like it's at the ball of the foot and the rear axle looks like it's behind the ankle. You hit a rock on those and you gonna get up close and personal with the pavement.

The wheelbase looks shorter than what you normally use. And it looks like you still mounted it the same way with the heel of the boot clear back at the end of the plate. If it is a shorter plate, it needs pushed forward more.

The skater specified a shorter plate than my normal advice, because he wanted the build to skate more like his indoor build (Royal) The build goal was to have front axle ~1/2" ahead of the center of ball of foot, and to have the rear axle near the center of the heel ball. If a skater is reasonably skilled, they can use their abilities to help the skate handle the outdoor surface issues. A longer plate lets the plate itself handle most of the surface irregularities, but a skilled skater can assume some of this responsibility too, if they want their wheelbase to be shorter.

Then, the skater opted for using his own Laser SA trucks in place of Sure Grip trucks. This caused some additional shortening of the wheel base.
So, I had to place the plate at a compromise location, such that the Laser trucks would work OK outdoors, and when he does a DA45 upgrade, they will also work well outdoors.

The skater is extremely pleased with the result for the build skating outdoors in a very similar way to how his Royal skates handle indoors, AND he reports they also handle the outdoor surfaces and irregularities quite well.

So, the bottom line is that he got what he wanted, and they skate the way he wanted them to skate. Mission accomplished.
Skater preferences can trump my formula for an outdoor optimized build when their skating style is not just speed skating straight ahead, and their ability to shift weight between the axles rapidly is good enough.

-Armadillo

Iggy
June 15th, 2010, 09:03 PM
Sounds good to me then :)