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Old January 23rd, 2009, 05:08 PM   #81
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No, I was stating one of the (many) reasons that I, as an individual, and representing no one but myself, don't support men's derby.

And what is this governing body that you speak of? Unless you are speaking of OSDA, in which case I apologize. I thought this thread was about Men's Derby specifiaclly, not mens participation in OSDA.

Look, I begrudge no one their right to participate in any sport that makes them happy. You enjoy it, kudos. But the originator of this thread asked for opinions on men's derby, so I'm giving them. I think that until it reaches a level comperable to WFTDA play (and all that it entails) that men's derby detracts from WFTDAs ability to be recognized by the general public as the sport that it is. Again, just my opinion and not representing anyone.
I always find it rather amusing that the people with the biggest problem with men's derby tend to be men.

Anyways, MDC appears to be stepping up as another sanctioning body for men's derby. They've got three member leagues so far. A substantial number of their skaters are refs in WFTDA leagues, so safety (and safety gear) are likely first and foremost in their mind.

Do you think that the newer women's leagues detract from WFTDA's (or whoever's) ability to be recognized by the general public as the sport that it is? Should everyone who's not that good yet lay low until they get better? Skate their bouts in secret?

Note: I'm not a part of any of this, but I think it's cool that people are doing it.
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Old January 23rd, 2009, 05:30 PM   #82
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There are a few of us guy up here that are playing in a co-ed game in May against Outlaw Roller Derby with our Oil City Derby Girls. It is a small step for us, but we would love to have a men's team...or it is my wishful thinking :P

The guy refs up here in Edmonton can't go to the Throwdown in the Sound game to play for the Canadian Male team in April due to scheduling conflicts.

But if there are any guys in Edmonton or Alberta that are interested in playing let me know
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Old January 23rd, 2009, 05:38 PM   #83
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I always find it rather amusing that the people with the biggest problem with men's derby tend to be men.

Anyways, MDC appears to be stepping up as another sanctioning body for men's derby. They've got three member leagues so far. A substantial number of their skaters are refs in WFTDA leagues, so safety (and safety gear) are likely first and foremost in their mind.

Do you think that the newer women's leagues detract from WFTDA's (or whoever's) ability to be recognized by the general public as the sport that it is? Should everyone who's not that good yet lay low until they get better? Skate their bouts in secret?

Note: I'm not a part of any of this, but I think it's cool that people are doing it.
The newer women's leagues don't ask for expo bouts at major events such as Nationals, Regionals and the ECE.
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Old January 23rd, 2009, 05:50 PM   #84
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Old January 23rd, 2009, 06:17 PM   #85
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The newer women's leagues don't ask for expo bouts at major events such as Nationals, Regionals and the ECE.
Are they asking for it, or are they being offered it because it's something of interest and many of the skaters are already heading there anyways? Think of it like a ref's scrimmage (the first place most of us saw men skating derby). It's of interest to the skaters because it's their refs skating. The bulk of the attendees of the tournaments are skaters, refs, volunteers, derby press and superfans. Given the makeup of today's men's derby teams, the skaters are often familiar figures.

Do you have similar issues with the junior leagues who've been offered opportunities to skate at national tournaments?

Whatever the quality of the skating and gameplay of men's derby (and IMO, it's gotten WAY BETTER in the year and a half I've been casually following it), I don't think WFTDA derby is a weak enough brand that men's derby threatens it in any way.

Just like the kids derby expos, the men are discernably different (maybe even moreso) from the women skaters. OK, aside from Justice's lovely skirts. I don't see anyone getting confused about what's what.

I tend to see this as a silly argument. But a silly argument that some folks out there sometimes try to use to suit their own ends. That I tend to find annoying. I'm not talking about you, BTW.
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Look! It's a baby bunny!!!!!!

I'm feeling a case of BBDS (Baby Bunny Deficiency Syndrome) coming on.
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Old January 23rd, 2009, 06:40 PM   #87
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I'm feeling a case of BBDS (Baby Bunny Deficiency Syndrome) coming on.
Did you say baby bunnies!?! Here is a whole basket full of them!!! Yayyyyy!!!!!

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Did you say baby bunnies!?! Here is a whole basket full of them!!! Yayyyyy!!!!!
Mr. Wiggles would eat 'em all.

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Old January 23rd, 2009, 06:51 PM   #89
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They need silver dollar pancakes on their heads.
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Old January 23rd, 2009, 07:49 PM   #90
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RIP Oolong the Rabbit.

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RIP Oolong the Rabbit.

That doesn't look like a silver dollar pancake to me. It looks like a Plinko chip.

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::Wipes a tear from his eyes at Fresh Eddie and Day Glo:: I love you guys..
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Old January 23rd, 2009, 11:18 PM   #93
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::Wipes a tear from his eyes at Fresh Eddie and Day Glo:: I love you guys..
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AHH! BUNNY FAMILY!! MISSED CHU GUYS!


Though I must agree with Dayglo, Mr Wiggles looks a bit...peeved? That the other bunnies have chosen to replicate his fashunableeyemakeups.
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Old January 24th, 2009, 02:04 AM   #95
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Dayglo, the second page on that site contained bunny porn. I thought I should give everyone ample warning.
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One of our refs is interested in men's derby. However we live in a very small city and I just don't think we have the people to support it honestly. Our women's team is extremely lucky to have the following we do. I don't think a men's team would be as popular. I hope they form a team and prove me dead wrong.
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Old January 24th, 2009, 02:23 AM   #97
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One of our refs is interested in men's derby. However we live in a very small city and I just don't think we have the people to support it honestly. Our women's team is extremely lucky to have the following we do. I don't think a men's team would be as popular. I hope they form a team and prove me dead wrong.
Even in the larger cities men's derby doesn't seem to really be a draw. Think of it more as a very expensive sport they'd play for fun than something that'd draw much of a paying audience.

For whatever it's worth, women have been the real draw in roller derby even back in the old days. They called the women's breasts "tickets," after all, didn't they?
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Old January 24th, 2009, 02:44 AM   #98
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Even in the larger cities men's derby doesn't seem to really be a draw. Think of it more as a very expensive sport they'd play for fun than something that'd draw much of a paying audience.

For whatever it's worth, women have been the real draw in roller derby even back in the old days. They called the women's breasts "tickets," after all, didn't they?

LOL I have no idea. That was way before my time.
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Old January 24th, 2009, 02:53 AM   #99
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Dayglo, the second page on that site contained bunny porn. I thought I should give everyone ample warning.
I didn't see the bunny pr0n until after I posted it. Not taking it down, though, because I'm all for anything that results in more bunnies.
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Old January 24th, 2009, 01:30 PM   #100
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Roxy - you're guys are welcome to check out our practices whenever they're in the Twin Cities. Have them contact me.

Recruiting - gotta agree, recruiting guys is difficult. I couldn't tell you why, only offer crackpot theories. But most of us have some link to women's derby, and those that don't tend to become referees. Most teams skate with 10 or fewer players at any one event - AFAIK Dallas is the only team with a full roster although the New York Shock Exchange has split themselves up into two teams from time-to-time (something we're trying this spring).

Are men's teams asking or being asked to play at ECE and WFTDA tournaments? We're asking. If we tried to run everything public like the women's leagues, we'd (first) fail miserably at it, (second) only eat into the women's leagues revenue streams, and thus (thirdly) royally piss them off.and royally piss them off. Given how few and spread out we are nationally, the tournaments are places where there are enough of us there together to actually do some skating ourselves.
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