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Old December 22nd, 2015, 04:35 PM   #1
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Default Synder super deluxe compared to avenger mags

Ok doc you know I love my avenger mags. There are a lot of people who love their Snyders too. I have an old boot, think about building. Not looking to start a debate that is why I'm asking you not the forum.

How much heavier are they 7" wheelbase?

Will they perform as good as the avenger?

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Old December 22nd, 2015, 09:42 PM   #2
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Ok doc you know I love my avenger mags. There are a lot of people who love their Snyders too. I have an old boot, think about building. Not looking to start a debate that is why I'm asking you not the forum.

How much heavier are they 7" wheelbase?

Ya got me. I have seen maybe one or two mag Avengers that big. 180mm.. Yeah that's a biggie. But a size 11 Super Deluxe, especially an older one will be no lightweight by any means.

Will they perform as good as the avenger?

How high is up?? How well something performs is more a perception thing than anything else.

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The two plates will never behave the same way (no matter what our local cushion wizard says) because the geometry is different. That is the beginning and the end of the story. Nothing anyone can do with the cushions will make a 15 action turn the same amount as a 30 action for the same amount of plate lean. It is simple mechanics and cushions do NOT have any impact on that aspect of plate performance.

That being said it is possible to tune a Super Deluxe action (I have a pair of SD Figure ultra lites, a modified gen 2 Advantage, and an old Grand American. I also have a pair of old Anagnost plates (Dance Deluxe plate with special SA trucks.) I can tune them to be more than acceptable to sk8, but never will they have the same amount of snap that the the DA45s have.

To understand snap. put a set of rubber cushions on that Super Deluxe, then switch over to urethane. The definition becomes obvious.

So back to the question "Will they perform as good as the avenger?" From my perspective, they cannot, however the stiffer you run your action in a DA45, the closer you can tune a 15 action to behave in a similar manner.

So basically the SD will be heavier and not turn as quickly as an Avenger. Your call as to whether that is better performance.
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Thanks for the reply. I will call you after New Years, and order another avenger.
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Thanks for the reply. I will call you after New Years, and order another avenger.
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