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Ask DocSk8 (Expert Indoor Skate Building Advice) This forum is different then the other SkateLog forums in that it is not a discussion forum, but rather a place you can ask skate building expert Fred "DocSk8" Benjamin about building and repairing indoor speed, derby, and jamskate quad roller skates. Please start a new thread for each new question.

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Old March 26th, 2014, 02:16 AM   #1
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Hi DocSk8,
I am in need of some expert advice on an art boot.
I am looking at a used Rolline Rafaello M in a size 150, and trying to figure out if it would fit a size 7-1/2 Harlick. I would use the skate for figures.
Or would this plate be too short?

And the other question, Rafaello plates are advertised as being for beginner youth skates. I am wondering if you know if this is due to weight limitations on the plate or just because the plate only goes up to a size 150?

Thanks for any information you can provide!
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Old March 26th, 2014, 03:36 PM   #2
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Hi DocSk8,
I am in need of some expert advice on an art boot.

I believe I can get your question answered.. but I'm going most likely to be
needing some expert help myself.


I am looking at a used Rolline Rafaello M in a size 150, and trying to figure out if it would fit a size 7-1/2 Harlick.

The Harlick chart says size 150 is correct for ladies 7 1/2 to 9 and men's 6 1/2 to 8. That is Harlick sizes, NOT street shoe sizes.

I would use the skate for figures. Or would this plate be too short?

Most likely not. Once upon a time I used a Harlick boot chart to size plates on Riedell speed boots and accidentally re-invented the "short" mount.


And the other question, Rafaello plates are advertised as being for beginner youth skates. I am wondering if you know if this is due to weight limitations on the plate or just because the plate only goes up to a size 150?

I believe that is the "F" model with fiber trucks. RAFFAELLO M is listed as Pre Professional Artistic Figure/Dance Skate Frames on the Skates US web site. I sk8ed a pair for years @ 220 pounds, no problems. In fact, upgrading the Raffaellos to urethane cushions (yes I know urethane is not particularly popular among figure sk8rs) I could feel a small (but still noticeable) difference between it and my Giottos...

Thanks for any information you can provide!
~Z
Now to find "my" art expert and have him check my work.
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Old March 26th, 2014, 08:38 PM   #3
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Now to find "my" art expert and have him check my work.
Doc you are pretty much right on, i dont know anything about the RAFFAELLO M plate but i dont think its know of a beginner or session plate.

the cushions are preference and you might be better off with rubber cushions for figures. the boot size seems right for the 150 rolline plate but some coaches like figure skaters to be on a bit smaller plate, especially for loops. i would check with your coach and with other figure skaters at your rink to see what is happening today. i am not up to date lately and dont want to steer you wrong.

i know there are more plates and wheels out there beyond my knowledge now. so good luck, also for plate size you might want to check with David Ripp as he is the rolline rep.
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Thank you both! It is a used plate locally and comes with Giotto wheels.
And the price is right for both.
Everything I read online made it sound the step down from the Giotto plate. Sort of like the Variant M and Mariner Cup.

And that being said, it's not got the "click action" on the trucks.

Would either of you know if it would still be reasonably easy to adjust the action without this?
I'm currently adjusting my Sure Grip Classic with an allen wrench and long handled open ended 11/16ths, so I can handle that much.
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Thank you both! It is a used plate locally and comes with Giotto wheels.
And the price is right for both.
Everything I read online made it sound the step down from the Giotto plate. Sort of like the Variant M and Mariner Cup.

And that being said, it's not got the "click action" on the trucks.

Would either of you know if it would still be reasonably easy to adjust the action without this?
I'm currently adjusting my Sure Grip Classic with an allen wrench and long handled open ended 11/16ths, so I can handle that much.
you can adjust any plate actions, just some not as easily as others,,,,as with your classic plates, not a click adjustment but doable.
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The non click Roll line action is more capable of hitting the sk8rs sweet spot than the click action. If memory serves there are 6 adjustment points in every rotation of the click action. On the non click, it is infinite, so if where you really want to be is between the detents, you are out of luck. The down side, you have to do more than remember the number of clicks, however visualizing the clock face while adjusting it makes that easy.

Let me give you an example. When helping other sk8rs tune other brands of sk8s (Not many Roll Lines locally) I use generally 1/4 turn increments to get into the ball park. 12 o'clock, 3 o'clock 6 o'clock 9 o'clock, but you can hit any point in between when necessary. The click action is 12, 2, 4, 6, 8 and 10 o'clock and those are it. Some would argue that is enough.. I disagree. Sacrificing action adjustability for convenience is not a good trade.

Be prepared for a whole new world when you switch. The Classic has several weaknesses in the suspension design that keeps it from being responsive to the sk8r. The Roll Line has fixed those issues and they sk8 like a dream by comparison and it is even easier to adjust. One wrench, not 2.

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