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Old October 11th, 2018, 03:40 AM   #41
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Rufus, your right, but it would be almost impossible to prove, and who knows, there's always a very slight chance Ford isn't lying.
I have a hard time giving her any credibility. Negative credibility for coming in with a Dem Senator holding your hand, wanting a result, instead of a district attorney and file charges. Negative credibility for that Senator sitting on the info. HUGE negative credibility for 3 witnesses refuting her. Negative credibility for tucking tail and running.

The only one victimizing this woman is Feinstein. She used her, made her lie, and now that woman is just HOPING she does not go to jail for her part in all of this.

Hell, Ted Kennedy killed a woman. McCain killed service men and was a traitor. Clinton had a list of sexually abused women. But the Dems downplay that stuff. Nothing but lies and politics. No truth here.... move along.
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I have a hard time giving her any credibility. Negative credibility for coming in with a Dem Senator holding your hand, wanting a result, instead of a district attorney and file charges. Negative credibility for that Senator sitting on the info. HUGE negative credibility for 3 witnesses refuting her. Negative credibility for tucking tail and running.

The only one victimizing this woman is Feinstein. She used her, made her lie, and now that woman is just HOPING she does not go to jail for her part in all of this.

Hell, Ted Kennedy killed a woman. McCain killed service men and was a traitor. Clinton had a list of sexually abused women. But the Dems downplay that stuff. Nothing but lies and politics. No truth here.... move along.
I agree, never argue with a fool because they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Concerning Ford, the jury of public opinion has yet to speak,
Concerning Ted Kennedy, a woman died in an accidental accident, Ted didn't with intent kill her, don't smear an innocent man.

Concerning McCain, let's fact check that
BTW, one of my brothers did six tours in Vietnam flying an A4, when he was 32 years old he was a Marine Major. Again, don't smear an innocent man.

Fire aboard the Forrestal

McCain was aboard the Forrestal as a lieutenant commander piloting an A-4 Skyhawk for the U.S. Navy on July 29, 1967, the day of the fire. The Forrestal had recently been resupplied with munitions, including 1,000-pound bombs from the Korean War, stored on the deck, because modern bombs were in short supply. McCain’s jet was parked on the deck, tail pointed outward before takeoff, as the ship sailed in the Gulf of Tonkin.

McCain didn’t "wet start" his jet, but rather an F-4 Phantom about 100 feet away at the opposite end of the deck accidentally fired a rocket because of an electrical surge.

The details vary depending on the account, but the rocket hit either McCain’s plane or the plane of fellow Skyhawk pilot Lt. Cdr. Fred White.

Our friends at FactCheck.org found that McCain’s own statements immediately after the disaster showed him admitting his memory of the event was muddled.

McCain remembered the rocket hitting his own plane in Chapter 14 of his 1999 book Faith of My Fathers: "In the next instant, a Zuni missile struck the belly fuel tank of my plane, tearing it open, igniting two hundred gallons of fuel that spilled onto the deck, and knocking two of my bombs to the deck."

But the official U.S. Navy report of the accident said the rocket hit White’s plane, rupturing the fuel tank and igniting the jet fuel.

A fragment also punctured the fuel tank of another Skyhawk next to White, spilling more fuel and igniting it. The rocket itself fell into the ocean without detonating, but a bomb from one of the aircraft exploded as crew members rushed to put out the flames. (Subsequent reports have noted modern bombs would not have "cooked off" the way the Korean War-era munitions did, contributing to the disaster.)

Gregory Freeman, author of the 2002 book Sailors to the End, has sided with McCain’s account, but conceded on his website that it was entirely possible the rocket hit both Skyhawks.

McCain managed to escape his cockpit through the flames, suffering burns and shrapnel wounds in his legs and chest. He described the conflagration in his book:

"All around me was mayhem. Planes were burning. More bombs cooked off. Body parts, pieces of the ship, and scraps of planes were dropping onto the deck. Pilots strapped in their seats ejected into the firestorm. Men trapped by flames jumped overboard. More Zuni missiles streaked across the deck. Explosions tore craters in the flight deck, and burning fuel fell through the opening into the hangar bay, spreading the fire below."

McCain wrote that he helped dump some bombs over the side of the ship before heading to the ready room and then sick bay to treat his wounds. He acknowledged the crew managed to control the flight deck fire by that afternoon, but below-deck fires lasted for another 24 hours.

"The fires were consuming the Forrestal. I thought she might sink," he wrote. "But the crew’s heroics kept her afloat. Men sacrificed their lives for one another and for their ship. Many of them were only 18 or 19 years old."

The Forrestal was drydocked and refit, staying in service until being decommissioned in 1993. The fire, considered the worst combat-related naval disaster since World War II, led to changes in crew training and flight deck procedures.

McCain transferred to the USS Oriskany, the aircraft carrier from which he took off on Oct. 27, 1967, the day he was shot down over North Vietnam and taken prisoner.

Our ruling

Bloggers said McCain "was singlehandedly responsible for starting a fire on (the) USS Forrestal aircraft carrier."

Though specific details vary, no official or thoroughly researched account of the Forrestal fire blames McCain or any other particular pilot. A rocket from a jet other than McCain’s misfired due to an electrical surge, hitting a plane from across the flight deck and starting the blaze. Several other factors contributed to the conflagration burning out of control and killing 134 sailors and pilots.

We rate this claim Pants on Fire!

Concerning Clinton, let's fact check that


Bill Clinton, the 42nd President of the United States (1993–2001), has been publicly accused of sexual misconduct by four women: Juanita Broaddrick accused Clinton of raping her in 1978; Kathleen Willey accused Clinton of groping her without consent in 1993; Leslie Millwee[1] accused Clinton of sexually assaulting her in 1980; and Paula Jones accused Clinton of exposing himself to her in 1991 as well as sexually harassing her. The Jones allegations became public in 1994, during Clinton's first term as president, while Willey's and Broaddrick's accusations became public in 1999, toward the end of Clinton's second term. Millwee did not make her accusations until 2016.


Clinton has adamantly denied all four accusations. Through his representatives, Clinton has responded to the allegations by attempting to discredit the credibility of the accusers, noting that (in the case of Broaddrick and Willey) they previously testified under oath that Clinton never made unwanted advances. Several witnesses close to Willey and Jones have stated that the two women described their encounter with Clinton as consensual.

Of all the allegations made against him, Clinton has only admitted extramarital relationships with Monica Lewinsky and Gennifer Flowers, both of which have generally been accepted as consensual.

However, some commentators have nonetheless characterized Clinton's affair with Lewinsky, who was at the time a White House intern, as sexual misconduct because of the vast power imbalance between a president and an intern; Lewinsky was 22 at the time and described the relationship as completely consensual.
In 2018, Lewinsky herself began to question her long-standing view that her relationship with Clinton had been consensual, characterizing the relationship as a “gross abuse of power” wherein the power differential between the two was so great that “consent might well be rendered moot.”
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I can think of a couple of other things were different too, they had Clinton's DNA on a dress, so that was a bit of tangible evidence there. Also, I don't recall there being an FBI investigation on Clinton either, although that may change. I think he paid Paula Jones a $850,000 settlement too. Clinton was a big skirt chaser, but so are a lot of powerful men, Trump included.

I voted for Bill, and I liked him as a president. I thought all the hoopla with Monica got ridiculous, and I remember thinking it wasn't our business, as a nation, who the President had consensual, adult sex with. I get that he perjured himself, and that was a big no-no. He should have just told them to mind their own business.

https://www.rt.com/usa/440821-clinto...ons-different/ - Anita is sure seizing the moment, but unless she saved some DNA evidence, she will probably have to settle for a GoFundMe payday as well.
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I can think of a couple of other things were different too, they had Clinton's DNA on a dress, so that was a bit of tangible evidence there. Also, I don't recall there being an FBI investigation on Clinton either, although that may change. I think he paid Paula Jones a $850,000 settlement too. Clinton was a big skirt chaser, but so are a lot of powerful men, Trump included.

I voted for Bill, and I liked him as a president. I thought all the hoopla with Monica got ridiculous, and I remember thinking it wasn't our business, as a nation, who the President had consensual, adult sex with. I get that he perjured himself, and that was a big no-no. He should have just told them to mind their own business.

https://www.rt.com/usa/440821-clinto...ons-different/ - Anita is sure seizing the moment, but unless she saved some DNA evidence, she will probably have to settle for a GoFundMe payday as well.
Ken Star had the FBI investigate Clinton, fact.
The blue dress was Lewinsky's, and she had consensual sex, fact.
After four years, Clinton had Paula Jones paid 850,000$ and admitted no guilt, fact.
So you're comparing the Trump case's to the Bill Clinton case, remember, Clinton had consensual sex with two, and the other two swore in court that Clinton never made unwanted advances, unlike Trump who is currently being sued by several woman that he definitely made sexual advances toward, without their consent, FUD.
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Ken Star had the FBI investigate Clinton, fact.
The blue dress was Lewinsky's, and she had consensual sex, fact.
After four years, Clinton had Paula Jones paid 850,000$ and admitted no guilt, fact.
So you're comparing the Trump case's to the Bill Clinton case, remember, Clinton had consensual sex with two, and the other two swore in court that Clinton never made unwanted advances, unlike Trump who is currently being sued by several woman that he definitely made sexual advances toward, without their consent, FUD.
We all know Monica was willing, but that doesn't mean sleeping with some starstruck young intern was a cool move. That's probably affected her whole life in a negative way. He said he doesn't owe her an apology either. He was likeable as a president, but he is as morally bankrupt as his delusional, ****-stirring wife.

Yeah, people always pay that kind of money because they are innocent.

Juanita Broaddrick disagrees -advancesr/www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-09-19/bill-clinton-accuser-wants-fbi-probe-violent-rape-claim-after-hillary-bobbles

So what that Trump made a sexual advance on some women? If men didn't make sexual advances, our species probably would have died out a long time ago. It's not the same as actually rapeing someone.
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We all know Monica was willing, but that doesn't mean sleeping with some starstruck young intern was a cool move. That's probably affected her whole life in a negative way. He said he doesn't owe her an apology either. He was likeable as a president, but he is as morally bankrupt as his delusional, ****-stirring wife.

Yeah, people always pay that kind of money because they are innocent.

Juanita Broaddrick disagrees -advancesr/www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-09-19/bill-clinton-accuser-wants-fbi-probe-violent-rape-claim-after-hillary-bobbles

So what that Trump made a sexual advance on some women? If men didn't make sexual advances, our species probably would have died out a long time ago. It's not the same as actually rapeing someone.
Glad to see that eventually you are so open minded

Monica was consensual, why apologize?

Jones's suit was dismissed as lacking legal merit prior to Clinton's impeachment and the exposure of the Lewinsky affair. But in August 1998 Clinton's relationship with Lewinsky, and compelling evidence that he had lied about it under oath in the Jones suit, was brought to light. At that point Jones appealed the ruling, and her appeal gained traction following Clinton's admission to having an affair with Monica Lewinsky in August 1998.[1]

So Jones sued Clinton years later, again, after her first suit was dismissed, and he reached an out of court settlement with her, never admitted guilt, but paid her to get her to go away, cease and decist, he didn't ignore her or defame her which Trump has done and does do.

Broaddrick, again...testifyied in court, under oath, that they had consensual sex, now she's going to refute that testimony?

Trump is accused of rape, as well as unwanted sexual advances, (to which he admits on live Film,) by more than 20 women, well, eventually they will have and win their day in court.

And now we learn that Trump owes 400,000 million dollars in taxes to the State of New York, the other states that have Trump properties haven't yet chimed in, Trump who borrowed from Russia for every piece of property under his control (at the moment) and denies any relationship with Russia, is going to be spending the rest of his life in legal battles for his Lying and Cheating concerning financial matters, and at the same time for his unwanted sexual advances toward women, all of which were and are criminal offenses.

Trump, the despot that sucks up to the worst tyrants in the world, Russia's, Turkey's, North Korea's just name any dictatorship and Trump calls them his friend's, while he makes Enemy's with every trading partner the US "had".
And now, the economy is starting to sink, tariff's are starting to come out of the pockets of US citizens, health care IS coming out of the pockets of US citizens, the so called tax cut, a 1 billion plus pay check from US citizens to the 1% of Americans that don't deserve it, but, that's what despots do.

Starting November 6'th, the stupid will stop.
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Monica was consensual, why apologize?

Jones's suit was dismissed as lacking legal merit prior to Clinton's impeachment and the exposure of the Lewinsky affair. But in August 1998 Clinton's relationship with Lewinsky, and compelling evidence that he had lied about it under oath in the Jones suit, was brought to light. At that point Jones appealed the ruling, and her appeal gained traction following Clinton's admission to having an affair with Monica Lewinsky in August 1998.[1]

So Jones sued Clinton years later, again, after her first suit was dismissed, and he reached an out of court settlement with her, never admitted guilt, but paid her to get her to go away, cease and decist, he didn't ignore her or defame her which Trump has done and does do.

Broaddrick, again...testifyied in court, under oath, that they had consensual sex, now she's going to refute that testimony?

Trump is accused of rape, as well as unwanted sexual advances, (to which he admits on live Film,) by more than 20 women, well, eventually they will have and win their day in court.

And now we learn that Trump owes 400,000 million dollars in taxes to the State of New York, the other states that have Trump properties haven't yet chimed in, Trump who borrowed from Russia for every piece of property under his control (at the moment) and denies any relationship with Russia, is going to be spending the rest of his life in legal battles for his Lying and Cheating concerning financial matters, and at the same time for his unwanted sexual advances toward women, all of which were and are criminal offenses.

Trump, the despot that sucks up to the worst tyrants in the world, Russia's, Turkey's, North Korea's just name any dictatorship and Trump calls them his friend's, while he makes Enemy's with every trading partner the US "had".
And now, the economy is starting to sink, tariff's are starting to come out of the pockets of US citizens, health care IS coming out of the pockets of US citizens, the so called tax cut, a 1 billion plus pay check from US citizens to the 1% of Americans that don't deserve it, but, that's what despots do.

Starting November 6'th, the stupid will stop.
I think I have always been open-minded. I like to read a variety of sources, decide things for myself and do not blindly follow, and defend, some political party.

How can you say Clinton doesn't owe Monica Lewinski an actual apology? Oh c'mon! He was 49, she was 22, and there was a huge imbalance of power, and her life was forever altered in a negative way.

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Some believe Clinton wronged the American people. I don't agree. But I think it's undeniable that he wronged Lewinsky by lying and obfuscating about minutiae regarding the definition of the word "is." By doing so, he allowed our culture to run wild with an image of Lewinsky as a slutty temptress, rather than a young, passionate woman who made a mistake that she will pay for the rest of her life.
It doesn't matter that Clinton had two female chiefs of staff as governor, as he took pains to point out in the "Today" interview, if he fails to take full responsibility for how his mistreatment of Lewinsky left her open to what was essentially government-sanctioned bullying by Ken Starr and slut-shaming by the entire world.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/04/opini...ion/index.html

Monica has worn a virtual scarlet letter A practically her whole adult life, and in the public's eye, I think she will always be the intern who fooled around with Bill Clinton.

Remember all the jokes about her? I remember working at a helpdesk during that time period, and one user telling me that his computer went down on him so much, he has going to put it under his desk and rename it Monica. I laughed, but no woman (in her right mind) would want to be famous in such a way.

She continued to pay by having a hard time finding employment, although now she is an anti-bully spokeperson.
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Indeed, Ms. Lewinsky writes that the scandal continues to affect her ability to pursue a career despite her master’s degree in social psychology from the London School of Economics, because employers do not want to attract the attention of the news media. But she says she has turned down eight-figure offers to exploit her celebrity status because “they didn’t feel like the right thing to do.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/07/u...l-clinton.html

She is still being uninvited from events recently due to the whole scandal - https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b04d3b2c901b74

As to Bill Clinton "fudging the truth" about his legal bills. Are we supposed to feel sorry for him? I get the feeling he is trying to play a bit of a victim card when he says he left the presidency 16 million in debt. He shouldn't have lied, to the public or under oath.
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...nica-lewinsky/

I think he should apologize to her for the reasons above. This was a young woman who fell in love with someone she shouldn't have, and he certainly wasn't gentlemanly in his treatment of her. Clinton should have been the mature adult in this scenario, and never let their relationship get to the point of hummers and cigar penetrations. She was made the scapegoat of the affair to try and protect his position, but if you really don't think he owes her an apology, we will just have to agree to disagree.

As far as Juanita goes, where the heck are you seeing that she testified in court under oath that they had consensual sex? I wish you would put links. All I have seen is where she signed an affidavit because she didn't want to get involved. Considering how women were treated back then for coming forward with this sort of thing, I can't say that I blame her.
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When [Paula] Jones’ lawyers subpoenaed her, Broaddrick signed an affidavit denying that Clinton had ever raped her. It was her decision to do so. “I did not want to get involved, and I signed it hoping to stay out of it,” she told me. The next year, Clinton was on trial for impeachment for allegedly obstructing justice during the Jones case. Federal prosecutor Ken Starr’s investigation team reached out to Broaddrick to ask whether Clinton had forced her to file a false affidavit. Broaddrick was afraid of lying to a federal grand jury, she says. After Starr gave her immunity from prosecution for perjury, she decided it was time to tell the full truth.
Broaddrick still desperately wanted to stay anonymous, but Jones’ lawyers used her name in a 1998 court filing. As Clinton’s impeachment trial loomed closer, reporters started staking out her house and tabloids printed vicious rumors about her family. Broaddrick agreed to sit down for a television interview with NBC News' Lisa Myers on Dateline. She also hoped to help impeach Clinton.
But the meticulously fact-checked Dateline report didn’t run until two weeks after the impeachment trial, in which Clinton was acquitted. Starr found Broaddrick’s rape claims inconclusive — the statute of limitations on them had passed decades before — and didn’t include them in the report, although he allowed Republicans to hear them.
https://politics.stackexchange.com/q...t-bill-clinton

She has more to say on the subject now - https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bil...d-on-kavanaugh

I am not going to attempt to defend Trump and his "pussy grabbing" ways, other than to say he is a very wealthy man and surely got away with a lot as a result.

If you think Bill Clinton was any better than Donald Trump as far as their treatment women was concerned, maybe we should just agree to disagree again, as it would be a case of a pot calling a kettle black to me.

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If you think Bill Clinton was any better than Donald Trump as far as his treatment women were concerned, maybe we should just agree to disagree again, as it would be a case of a pot calling a kettle black to me.
Trump is know the world over as the man that just walks up and grabs them by the Pussy, And as the president that Officially lies eight Times a day, if you consider his Morales and treatment of woman to be the same as Clinton, might be time to rethink your agenda.

A small list of the present women presenting allegation against Trump, and a small list of Beauty Contestants, some underage that Trump mentally abused, what a guy, I'm sorry you consider him to be a role model, the rest of the world doesn't.


Public allegations of unwanted physical contact since 2016

Natasha Stoynoff, Mindy McGillivray, Jessica Leeds, and Rachel Crooks spoke out about their allegations in October 2016 after hearing Trump deny during the debate that he had ever assaulted women.[59][60][63] The Times stated that they verified the stories with friends and family members of the accusers to ensure that the stories had been relayed to them earlier.[64]

Jessica Leeds (1980s)
In the early 1980s, Leeds was a businesswoman at a paper company on a flight from the Midwest, returning to New York. A flight attendant offered her an empty seat in the first-class cabin next to Trump. Leeds alleged that about 45 minutes after takeoff, Trump lifted the armrest and began touching her, grabbing her breasts, and tried to put his hand up her skirt. "He was like an octopus," she said. "His hands were everywhere. It was an assault."[60][63] Leeds said she had sent a letter containing her allegations to the editor of The New York Times.[3][60]

Trump spokesman Jason Miller responded to the allegation calling it "fiction." Miller stated the charges were politically motivated "for this to only become public decades later in the final month of a campaign for president should say it all." Trump publicly threatened to sue the Times over the newspaper's publication of the allegation, and demanded a retraction.[65][66] The Times rejected Trump's retraction demand,[66][67] and Trump never followed through on his threat to take legal action against the company.[13] An alleged witness to the case who claimed he saw "nothing untoward" upon the flight was former British Conservative county councillor from Gloucestershire, Antony Gilberthorpe. Gilberthorpe has previously made false allegations against politicians[68] and has been previously accused of making "advances of an intimate nature" towards Conservative students.[69]

Kristin Anderson (1990s)
On October 14, 2016, The Washington Post reported allegations by Kristin Anderson that Trump groped her beneath her skirt in a Manhattan nightclub in the early 1990s. An aspiring model at the time of the alleged incident, Anderson told the story to her friends, and decided to come forward after reading accounts of other women who had done so.[70] Anderson believed that the alleged assault occurred at the China Club, a Manhattan nightclub that Newsday referred to as "Donald's Monday-night nest" due to his alleged habit of picking up women there.[70]

Cathy Heller (1997)
In February 2016, Cathy Heller was interviewed off the record for an article for The Guardian in which she recounted how she was grabbed and kissed by Donald Trump two decades earlier.[71] Heller reports that, in 1997, she met Trump when she attended a Mother's Day brunch with her children, her husband, and her husband's parents at his Mar-a-Lago estate. Her parents-in-law were members of Mar-a-Lago. Heller was introduced to Trump, who became angry when she avoided a kiss. He then "grabbed" her and, when he tried to kiss her, she turned her head. Trump kissed her on the side of the mouth "for a little too long" and then he left her.[71][72]

Heller's husband and children, who were present during the event, have corroborated her account. In the summer of 2015, the members of Heller's mahjong group heard Heller's account of the 1997 incident; this was not long after Trump announced his candidacy.[73] She decided to go public after seeing the second presidential debate on October 9, 2016. Heller is a registered Democrat, and public supporter of Hillary Clinton.[71]

Trump campaign spokesperson Jason Miller stated that Heller's account is "false" and "politically motivated".[73]

Temple Taggart McDowell (1997)
Temple Taggart McDowell, Miss Utah USA in 1997, publicly accused Trump of unwanted kisses and embraces that left McDowell and one of her chaperones so uncomfortable, according to McDowell, that she claimed she was instructed not to be left in a room alone with him again. According to McDowell, a chaperone had accompanied her to Trump's office.[74] At the time, McDowell was 21 and was known as Temple Taggart.[3] This incident occurred in Trump's first year of ownership of the Miss USA contest.[3]

McDowell told her story initially to The New York Times in May 2016[74] which was published in the "Crossing the Line: How Donald Trump Behaved With Women in Private" article.[30] She had not intended to speak publicly about the incidents again, but she received numerous calls recently due to the "Crossing the Line" article and felt, as a mother, that it is important to share a message about unwanted advances: "You have the right to say no. You have the right to get out of there. You have the right to leave, and you have the right to make them feel uncomfortable if they're making you feel uncomfortable," she said. Trump stated that he does not know her and denied McDowell's claims.[74] He also told The New York Times that he is "reluctant to kiss strangers on the lips."[3]

Taggart McDowell stated that she is a Republican, and not coming out with the allegation in order to support Hillary Clinton.[75]

Karena Virginia (1998)
At an October 2016 press conference with attorney Gloria Allred, yoga instructor and life coach Karena Virginia stated that in 1998, Trump grabbed her arm and touched her breast. Virginia, who was 27 years old at the time, was waiting for a ride after the US Open in Queens, New York.[76] She stated that Trump, whom she had not met previously, approached her with a small group of other men, while commenting on her legs, then he grabbed her right arm. Virginia continued, "Then his hand touched the right side of my breast. I was in shock. I flinched. ‘Don’t you know who I am? Don’t you know who I am?’ – that's what he said to me. I felt intimidated and I felt powerless."[76]

Trump campaign spokesperson Jessica Ditto responded to the allegation with a statement reading in part, "Discredited political operative Gloria Allred, in another coordinated, publicity seeking attack with the Clinton campaign, will stop at nothing to smear Mr. Trump."[77]

Mindy McGillivray (2003)
In an article by The Palm Beach Post, Mindy McGillivray stated that in January 2003, when she was 23 years old, she was groped by Trump at his Mar-a-Lago estate.[3][62] She said, "All of a sudden I felt a grab, a little nudge. I think it's [my friend Ken Davidoff's] camera bag, that was my first instinct. I turn around and there's Donald. He sort of looked away quickly."[3] Ken Davidoff, a photographer, corroborated McGillivray's account, saying he remembered her pulling him aside moments after the alleged incident to say "Donald just grabbed my ass!"[62]

McGillivray said that she "chose to stay quiet"[59] and never reported the incident to authorities. She had only shared details of the incident with close family and friends until she heard Trump deny such behavior during the second presidential debate on October 9, 2016.[62] Hope Hicks, Trump's press secretary, stated that McGillivray's allegations lacked "any merit or veracity" and were untruthful.[59]

Ken Davidoff's brother, Darryl Davidoff, said that he was also present at the time at Mar-a-Lago, and stated that in his opinion McGillivray is lying.[78][79] According to Darryl: "I do not believe it really happened. Nobody saw it happen and she just wanted to be in the limelight."[78][d]

Rachel Crooks (2005)
In 2005, Rachel Crooks was a 22-year-old receptionist at Bayrock Group, a real estate investment and development company in Trump Tower in Manhattan. She says she encountered Trump in an elevator in the building one morning and turned to introduce herself. They shook hands, but Mr. Trump would not let go. Instead, he began kissing her cheeks, then directly on the mouth.[60][63] "It was so inappropriate," Crooks recalled in an interview. "I was so upset that he thought I was so insignificant that he could do that."[63] Her story was printed by The New York Times, along with that of Jessica Leeds.[60] Trump has disputed Crooks' claims,[3] writing on Twitter, "Who would do this in a public space with live security cameras running?"[80] Crooks is a public supporter and donor to Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign.[81]

Natasha Stoynoff (2005)
Canadian author and journalist Natasha Stoynoff, who wrote for People magazine and, previously, the Toronto Star and Toronto Sun, went to Trump's Florida estate in December 2005 to interview him and his wife, Melania. While there, Trump gave Stoynoff a tour of the Mar-a-Lago estate. She says that during this tour, he pushed her against a wall and forced his tongue into her mouth.[3][59]

Stoynoff described the alleged episode, "We walked into that room alone, and Trump shut the door behind us. I turned around, and within seconds he was pushing me against the wall and forcing his tongue down my throat ... I was stunned. And I was grateful when Trump's longtime butler burst into the room a minute later, as I tried to unpin myself."[61] Stoynoff composed herself and conducted the interview,[3] after which she said Trump repeatedly told her, "We're going to have an affair, I'm telling you."[59][61] Melania was also interviewed for that article.[61]

Trump sent out a tweet on October 13, 2016, in which he said it had not happened and wondered why she had not mentioned the event in her People article of 2005.[3] Stoynoff responded that she had become angry when Trump denied assaulting women during the presidential debate and was triggered by the release of the Access Hollywood recording in early October. Until that point, she said, she had conflicting emotions common among victims of assault, combined with embarrassment and confusion. J.D. Heyman, People's deputy editor, said: "It was disorienting for her. She felt a great deal of worry and distress about it. Then she felt angry."[82]

That same day, Melania's lawyer demanded an apology from People magazine, stating that Melania did not say some or all of what was quoted in the People article by Stoynoff published on October 12, 2016; Melania specifically denied Stoynoff's claim that she'd run into her on Fifth Avenue following the article's publication.[83] In an interview with Anderson Cooper that aired October 17 on CNN, Melania again denied having crossed paths with Stoynoff on Fifth Avenue, as stated in Stoynoff's article. The following day, People published the account of Liza Herz. Herz said she witnessed the sidewalk encounter between Stoynoff and Melania Trump; Herz' account corroborated that of Stoynoff.[84]

On October 18, People produced six corroborating witnesses who said Stoynoff had recounted the incident to them around the time that it occurred.[84] The six witnesses were: "two editors from People, Mary Green and Liz McNeil; a professor of journalism, Paul McLaughlin; a co-worker; and two personal friends of Ms. Stoynoff."[85]

Trump's former butler at Mar-a-lago resort in Florida, Anthony Senecal, 85, was asked about the 2005 incident in which Ms Stoynoff alleged that the butler "burst in" on Mr Trump when she was pinned down by him; Senecal denied that ever happened. Mr. Senecal further states as a butler "I don’t burst in. I knock, then I go in, usually after someone says ‘come in'," further alleging "And when I went in, there was nothing strange about where she was standing."[86][87] According to Senecal, the alleged incident took place in a massage room with windows all around which made it unsuitable to grope anyone since there was no privacy.[86]

Juliet Huddy (2005 or 2006)
In early December 2017, the reporter Juliet Huddy said that Trump kissed her on the lips while they were on an elevator in Trump Tower with Trump's security guard in 2005 or 2006. Regarding this incident, Huddy said "I was surprised that he went for the lips. But I didn't feel threatened... Whatever, everything was fine. It was a weird moment. He never tried anything after that, and I was never alone with him."[88][89]

Jessica Drake (2006)
On October 22, 2016, Jessica Drake and attorney Gloria Allred held a news conference in which Drake accused Trump of having sexually assaulted her and two acquaintances nearly ten years prior. Drake, an adult film actress and sex education advocate, said that she met Trump at her company's booth during a charity golf tournament at Lake Tahoe in 2006. Drake claims that she was invited to meet with Trump, who was married at the time, at his hotel suite; she was "uncomfortable going alone" and brought two friends. Describing the meeting with Trump, Drake recounted that "He grabbed each of us tightly, in a hug and kissed each one of us without asking permission."[90] Drake stated that she and her friends left the suite after 30–45 minutes. Shortly thereafter, Drake claims she received phone calls from Trump or his associate, requesting that she join him in his suite for $10,000, and offering to fly her on his jet back to Los Angeles. She said she declined his offers.[90]

During the news conference, Drake said, "I am not looking for monetary compensation. I do not need additional fame... I understand that I may be called a liar or an opportunist but I will risk that in order to stand in solidarity with women who share similar accounts."[90][91] During the news conference, Gloria Allred held up a picture showing Trump and Drake standing together at the time.[90]

In response to Drake's allegations, the Trump campaign stated that her story is "false and ridiculous", that "[t]he picture is one of thousands taken out of respect for people asking to have their picture taken with Mr. Trump" but Trump did not know Drake and "would have no interest in ever knowing her," and that the story was "just another attempt by the Clinton campaign to defame a candidate."[92] Donald Trump appeared to dismiss the significance of the accusation because of Drake's line of work, saying, "Oh, I’m sure she’s never been grabbed before."[93][94]

Amanda Prestigiacomo, writing in The Daily Wire, has criticized Drake for suggesting that being greeted with a hug and a kiss without permission is "sexual assault".[95] According to Prestigiacomo, if this were to be "sexual assault" then everyone has been "sexually assaulted" numerous times, and making such a claim does a disservice to women who have actually faced sexual assault.[95]

Ninni Laaksonen (2006)
Ninni Laaksonen, Miss Finland 2006, appeared with Trump on the Late Show with David Letterman on July 26, 2006.[96] Laaksonen claims that before they went on the air, Trump grabbed her buttocks. As Laaksonen describes the interaction: "He really grabbed my butt. I don’t think anybody saw it but I flinched and thought: "What is happening?"[96] Someone later told Laaksonen that Trump liked her because she looked like his wife, Melania, when she was younger.[97][98][99]

Laaksonen revealed her account to a local Finnish newspaper, Ilta-Sanomat, which had contacted her regarding the level of professionalism involved in Donald Trump's handling of his employees within the Miss Universe pageant. The story was published on October 27, 2016.[100]

Cassandra Searles (2013)
Rolling Stone and NPR have reported that Cassandra Searles, Miss Washington USA of 2013, was fondled by Trump during the Miss USA pageant of that year.[3][101] Yahoo!News published an article in June 2016[3] stating that Searles had made Facebook postings that accused Trump of making unwanted advances. She said that he was "continually" groping her buttocks and had asked her to go "to his hotel room".[3][101][102] Searles also asserted that Trump had "treated us like cattle".[102] Trump and his campaign have not specifically responded to Searles' allegations.[3]

Allegations of pageant dressing room visits

Trump owned the Miss Universe franchise, which includes Miss USA and Miss Teen USA, from 1996 to 2015.[74][101] Contestants of the shows have alleged that, during his tenure, Trump would enter the dressing rooms while they were in various stages of undress. These incidents happened in 1997, 2000, 2001, and 2006.[103]

During a Howard Stern interview in 2005, Trump described his practice of walking in unannounced while beauty pageant contestants were naked or partially clothed:

I'll go backstage before a show, and everyone's getting dressed and ready and everything else....You know, no men are anywhere. And I'm allowed to go in because I'm the owner of the pageant. And therefore I'm inspecting it.... Is everyone OK? You know, they're standing there with no clothes. And you see these incredible-looking women. And so I sort of get away with things like that. But no, I've been very good.[101][104]

In the same interview with Stern, Trump declined to say whether he had slept with any contestants, stating "It could be a conflict of interest". Stern then imitated a foreign contestant (“Mr. Trump, in my country, we say hello with vagina”), and Trump jokingly responded: “Well, you could also say, as the owner of the pageant, it’s your obligation to do that.”[105][101]

Miss Teen USA contestants
Mariah Billado, Miss Vermont Teen USA, is one of four women to mention such a dressing room visit incident in 1997.[106] Billado said of the visit: "I remember putting on my dress really quick, because I was like, 'Oh my god, there's a man in here.' Trump, she recalled, said something like, 'Don't worry, ladies, I've seen it all before.'"[3] Billado recalled talking to Ivanka, Trump's daughter, who responded "Yeah, he does that."[3] The dressing room had 51 contestants, each with their own stations. Eleven girls said that they did not see Trump enter the dressing room, though some said it was possible that he entered while they were somewhere else, or that they didn't notice.[63][101][107] Of the 15 former contestants who were interviewed by Buzzfeed News, none alleged Trump said anything sexually explicit or made physical contact in the dressing room, and reportedly “Most of the former contestants were doubtful or dismissed the possibility that Trump violated their changing room privacy.”[106]

Allison Bowman, Miss Wisconsin Teen USA, expressed skepticism: "these were teenage girls. If anything inappropriate had gone on, the gossip would have flown."[106] Trump's campaign stated the allegations of him entering the dressing room “have no merit and have already been disproven by many other individuals who were present.”[108]

Bridget Sullivan (2000)
In 2000, Bridget Sullivan was Miss New Hampshire USA. As she prepared for a television broadcast, Trump allegedly walked into the dressing room. She told BuzzFeed that he was coming to wish the contestants good luck, but they "were all naked". Some contestants that night do not remember him entering while the ladies prepared and other contestants mentioned that they had no negative experiences with Trump. A spokesman for Trump said that Sullivan's claims were "totally false".[3]

Tasha Dixon (2001)
Tasha Dixon, Miss Arizona USA 2001, told a CBS affiliate in Los Angeles that in 2001, "[Trump] just came strolling right in. There was no second to put a robe on or any sort of clothing or anything. Some girls were topless, other girls were naked." She said that having been walked in on when the women had little or no clothes put them in a "very physically vulnerable position, and then to have the pressure of the people that work for him telling us to go fawn all over him, go walk up to him, talk to him ..." Another contestant, Miss California USA Carrie Prejean Boller, told the same CBS affiliate it was wrong to paint Trump that way.[109] Trump's response, provided through spokeswoman Jessica Ditto, is that: "These accusations have no merit and have already been disproven by many other individuals who were present," Ditto adds that she believes that there is a political motivation behind the accusation.[3]

Unnamed contestants (2001)
An unnamed Miss USA contestant said that in 2001 Trump walked into her dressing room unannounced while she and another contestant were undressed. She told The Guardian that Trump "just barged right in, didn't say anything, stood there and stared at us .... He didn't walk in and say, 'Oh, I'm so sorry, I was looking for someone.' He walked in, he stood and he stared. He was doing it because he knew that he could." Another contestant told The Guardian that the contestant spoke to others of this event at the time.[3]

Samantha Holvey (2006)
On October 14, 2016, Samantha Carol Holvey, Miss North Carolina USA 2006, related that "Trump's conduct was "creepy" around the women participating but never made an advance toward her." She also said that prior to pageant events, Trump had "moved into areas where she and other contestants were getting ready," and that she had "never been around men that were like that."[110] More than a year after Trump was elected President, and after many high-profile men, such as Harvey Weinstein, had lost their jobs because of sexual harassment allegations, Holvey wrote: "You can't work in Hollywood if you're a sexual predator, but you can become the commander-in-chief?" She then related how Trump made her feel very uncomfortable at the 2006 Miss USA pageant: "He eyed me like a piece of meat. I was shocked and disgusted. I have never felt so objectified. I left the meet-and-greet hoping that this would be my one and only encounter with him." She also described how he had come backstage unannounced, with Melania Trump: "I was shocked — again — by this violation of our personal space. What was he doing, coming backstage when we were still getting dressed?"[111]

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some provide facts, reasoned discussion, logical conclusions.

others respond with childish insults and think they've made valid points.
I'm far beyond attempting to "reason" with the unreasonable and irrational.

There are factions of our society that have chosen to destroy the "American Experiment" as we know it, to ignore/destroy core American values, traditions and morals of society.
They devolved to the lowest of lows in an attempt to destroy a good man with unsubstantiated and likely false claims.
All for political gain.


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I'm sorry you consider him to be a role model, the rest of the world doesn't.
Oh yeah, that was totally what I said Mr. "He doesn't owe Monica an apology". Let's take a look at Clinton's list.

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Rap Sheet: The Women Who Claim to Be Victims of Bill and Hillary Clinton

Andrew Redington/ALLSPORT/Getty Images 31 Dec 201514308 While Bill Cosby is finally doing a long overdue perp walk for an alleged sexual assault some 10 years ago, and I say “long overdue” because dozens of woman claim he did the same to them over the decades, the dozen or so women who claim to be victims of Bill and Hillary Clinton are being victimized once again by a DC Media circling the wagons to protect Hillary, a woman they are desperate to see become president.


The DC Media is not just politically motivated. Race also plays a factor. The DC Media see black conservatives as apostates who must be destroyed for daring to escape the Left-Wing Thought Plantation. On top of Bill Cosby, and over far, far lesser allegations, this same media has attempted to destroy two powerful black men: Justice Clarence Thomas and Herman Cain.
Despite a laundry list of extremely disturbing allegations involving everything from rape to groping to harassment to character assassination, the DC Media has not only protected white Democrat Bill Clinton, in a number of cases, the media has joined the campaign to destroy these women.
The double standard is glaring.
The pattern is horrifying.
And according to more than one of these alleged victims, Hillary Clinton is Bill’s enabler and the chief protector of their abuser:
The Clintons’ “systematically abuse women and others – sexually, physically, and psychologically – in their scramble for power and wealth,” says [“The Clintons’ War On Women”] press release.
Hillary Clinton’s core agenda is a quest for power, even while she presents herself as champion of women’s issues, [Roger]Stone says.
“If Hillary intends to build her campaign around an appeal to women, her campaign is built on quicksand,” said Stone. But “Hillary is a life-time abuser of women and her advocacy on women issues rings hollow,” he said.
Nevertheless, Bill Clinton is the man the DC Media wants as America’s very first First Gentleman, and other than Donald Trump, no one in the Republican Party has the stomach to make this the issue it deserves to be.

Kathleen Willey – Sexual Assault
Kathleen Willey … made a splash in 1998 by claiming in a ’60 Minutes’ interview that Bill Clinton had sexually assaulted her during a Oval Office meeting in 1993.

Now she says Mrs. Clinton, the former secretary of state, has a history of trying to silence the multiple women her husband has slept with, sexually assaulted or sexually harassed since his 1980s Arkansas days.
Connie Hamzy – Sexual Harassment
Self-proclaimed rock-and-roll groupie, who said Mr. Clinton propositioned her in 1984 while she was sunbathing by a Little Rock hotel pool.
Juanita Broaddrick– Rape
Gubernatorial campaign volunteer who said Mr. Clinton raped her during a nursing-home-operators convention in Little Rock in April 1978.


Eileen Wellstone– Sexual Assault
English woman who said Mr. Clinton sexually assaulted her after she met him at a pub near Oxford University where Mr. Clinton was a student in 1969.
Sandra Allen James– Sexual Assault
Former Washington, D.C., political fund-raiser who said Mr. Clinton invited her to his hotel room during a 1991 campaign trip, pinned her against the wall and put his hand under her dress.
Christy Zercher– Sexual Assault
Airline flight attendant on Mr. Clinton’s 1992 campaign plane, who said Mr. Clinton exposed himself and grabbed her breasts.
22 Year-Old Yale Student – Sexual Assault
In 1972, a 22-year-old woman told campus police at Yale University that she was sexually assaulted by Clinton, a law student at the college.
University of Arkansas Student – Sexual Assault
In 1974, a female student at the University of Arkansas complained that then-law school instructor Bill Clinton tried to prevent her from leaving his office during a conference. She said he groped her and forced his hand inside her blouse. She complained to her faculty advisor who confronted Clinton, but Clinton claimed the student ”came on” to him.
Paula Jones – Sexual Harrassment,. Character Assassination
She had asked to meet him because it would be ‘exciting’ to meet the governor, and she hoped it might lead to promotion. Instead, she said in court, she found herself telling him she was ‘not that kind of girl’.
It was a brief encounter and she alleged that Mr. Clinton took her hand, pulled her towards him, then said: ‘I love your curves.’
She tried to walk away, she said in a deposition, but ‘Mr. Clinton then walked over to the sofa, lowered his trousers and underwear, exposed his ***** (which was erect) and told me to “kiss it.”‘ …
Jones delivers her own verdict on Hillary’s bid to become president, saying that her husband’s attitude towards women disqualifies Bill from re-entering the White House – while what she calls Hillary’s ‘lies’ disqualify her from the Oval Office.
‘There is no way that [Hillary] did not know what was going on, that women were being abused and accosted by her husband,’ she says. ‘They have both lied.’
Clinton settled this case for $850,000.
Monica Lewinsky – Character Assassination
After lying to the American people to keep the Oval Office affair secret, Team Clinton and the DC Media ganged up on this 21-year-old intern to smear her as a crazy stalker.



A blue dress stained with the President’s DNA immediately shut down that media-enabled horror show.
Clinton was eventually impeached and disbarred for lying under oath about the affair. Under oath, when asked on three different occasions if he had an affair with Lewinsky, Clinton replied:
1. “No.”
2. “It’s certainly not the truth. It would not be the truth.”
3. “I have never had sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky. I’ve never had an affair with her.”
Gennifer Flowers – Character Assassination
Flowers, who had a 12 year affair with Clinton, claims that Hillary Clinton ran a “war room” against her during the 1992 campaign, the goal being to “smear, defame, and harm” her in order to win the presidency.
Hillary trashed Flowers mercilessly as a liar and more in the 1992 interview embedded at the top of this post.
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The list above doesn’t include the long list of women who claim to have had extramarital affairs, and in one case, an illegitimate child with Slick Willy.
Elizabeth (Ward) Gracen – Extramarital One night stand
Dolly Kyle Browning – Extramarital Affair in 1992
Sally Perdue – Extramarital Affair
Lencola Sullivan – Extramarital Affair
Elizabeth Ward – Extramarital Affair
Susie Whitacre – Extramarital Office Affair
Bobbie Ann William – Extramarital Affair
[O]ne-time Little Rock prostitute who said Mr. Clinton fathered a child by her when he was the governor of Arkansas.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...llary-clinton/

William and Donald look like birds of a feather to me. Some dirty, dirty birds.
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Ha, I was looking up the women one by one until I ran across this, none of the women Clinton had sex with were not consensual, all of the women Trump sexually assaulter were not consensual, see the pattern?

Allegations of an unwanted sexual encounter

Paula Jones — A former Arkansas state employee who alleged that in 1991 Clinton, while governor, propositioned her and exposed himself. She later filed a sexual harassment suit, and it was during a deposition in that suit that Clinton initially denied having sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky, a White House intern. Clinton was impeached by the House of Representatives over the Lewinsky matter but acquitted in the Senate. The Paula Jones case itself had been dismissed by a federal judge, who ruled that even if her allegations were true, such “boorish and offensive” behavior would not be severe enough to constitute sexual harassment under the law. That ruling was under appeal when Clinton in 1998 settled the suit for $850,000, with no apology or admission of guilt. All but $200,000 was directed to pay legal fees.

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Juanita Broaddrick — The nursing home administrator emerged after the impeachment trial to allege that Clinton had raped her 21 years earlier. (She originally declined to cooperate with the Paula Jones’s lawyers, saying in a signed affidavit that “I do not have any information to offer regarding a nonconsensual or unwelcome sexual advance by Mr. Clinton.”) Through a lawyer, Clinton denied the claim. There were no witnesses to alleged 1978 encounter, but several of her friends backed her claim. No charges were ever brought. Broaddrick also claims that just weeks after the incident, Hillary Clinton approached her at a political rally and appeared to thank her for her silence. (Here’s a link to the Dateline NBC interview with her in 1999.)

Kathleen Willey — The former White House aide said Clinton groped her in his office in 1993, on the same day that her husband, facing embezzlement charges, died in an apparent suicide. (During a deposition in the Paula Jones matter, Willey initially said she had no recollection about whether Clinton kissed her and insisted he did not fondle her.) Clinton denied he assaulted her; an independent prosecutor concluded that “there is insufficient evidence to prove to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that President Clinton’s testimony regarding Kathleen Willey was false.”

Other alleged cases — Eileen Wellstone says she was assaulted by Clinton when he was a student at Oxford University in 1969. Connie Hamzy is a rock-and-roll groupie who says she was propositioned in 1984 by then-Gov. Clinton. Sandra Allen James is a fundraiser who claimed Clinton invited her to his hotel room during a 1991 campaign trip and put his hand under her dress. Cristy Zercher is a flight attendant who says Clinton grabbed her breasts during a 1992 campaign flight as Hillary Clinton was asleep nearby.


No court of law ever found Clinton guilty of the accusations. Ronn Blitzer, an editor of LawNewz, wrote a very good examination of the strength and weaknesses of the Jones, Willey and Broaddrick cases, concluding the strongest case was Broaddrick.

Peter Baker, in “The Breach,” the definitive account of the impeachment saga, reported that House investigators later found in the files of the independent prosecutor that Jones’s attorneys had collected the names of 21 women who they suspected had had sexual relationships with Clinton. Baker described the files as “wild allegations, sometimes based on nothing more than hearsay claims of third-party witnesses.” But there were some allegations (page 138) that suggested unwelcome advances:

“One woman was alleged to have been asked by Clinton to give him oral sex in a car while he was the state attorney general (a claim she denied). A former Arkansas state employee said that during a presentation, then-Governor Clinton walked behind her and rubbed his pelvis up against her repeatedly. A woman identified as a third cousin of Clinton’s supposedly told her drug counselor during treatment in Arkansas that she was abused by Clinton when she was baby-sitting at the Governor’s Mansion in Little Rock.”
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Ha, I was looking up the women one by one until I ran across this, none of the women Clinton had sex with were not consensual, all of the women Trump sexually assaulter were not consensual, see the pattern?

Allegations of an unwanted sexual encounter

Paula Jones — A former Arkansas state employee who alleged that in 1991 Clinton, while governor, propositioned her and exposed himself. She later filed a sexual harassment suit, and it was during a deposition in that suit that Clinton initially denied having sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky, a White House intern. Clinton was impeached by the House of Representatives over the Lewinsky matter but acquitted in the Senate. The Paula Jones case itself had been dismissed by a federal judge, who ruled that even if her allegations were true, such “boorish and offensive” behavior would not be severe enough to constitute sexual harassment under the law. That ruling was under appeal when Clinton in 1998 settled the suit for $850,000, with no apology or admission of guilt. All but $200,000 was directed to pay legal fees.

CONTENT FROM MORGAN STANLEY
"While the world is tackling the plastic predicament, production of virgin plastic is likely to pick up before it slows down."
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Juanita Broaddrick — The nursing home administrator emerged after the impeachment trial to allege that Clinton had raped her 21 years earlier. (She originally declined to cooperate with the Paula Jones’s lawyers, saying in a signed affidavit that “I do not have any information to offer regarding a nonconsensual or unwelcome sexual advance by Mr. Clinton.”) Through a lawyer, Clinton denied the claim. There were no witnesses to alleged 1978 encounter, but several of her friends backed her claim. No charges were ever brought. Broaddrick also claims that just weeks after the incident, Hillary Clinton approached her at a political rally and appeared to thank her for her silence. (Here’s a link to the Dateline NBC interview with her in 1999.)

Kathleen Willey — The former White House aide said Clinton groped her in his office in 1993, on the same day that her husband, facing embezzlement charges, died in an apparent suicide. (During a deposition in the Paula Jones matter, Willey initially said she had no recollection about whether Clinton kissed her and insisted he did not fondle her.) Clinton denied he assaulted her; an independent prosecutor concluded that “there is insufficient evidence to prove to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that President Clinton’s testimony regarding Kathleen Willey was false.”

Other alleged cases — Eileen Wellstone says she was assaulted by Clinton when he was a student at Oxford University in 1969. Connie Hamzy is a rock-and-roll groupie who says she was propositioned in 1984 by then-Gov. Clinton. Sandra Allen James is a fundraiser who claimed Clinton invited her to his hotel room during a 1991 campaign trip and put his hand under her dress. Cristy Zercher is a flight attendant who says Clinton grabbed her breasts during a 1992 campaign flight as Hillary Clinton was asleep nearby.


No court of law ever found Clinton guilty of the accusations. Ronn Blitzer, an editor of LawNewz, wrote a very good examination of the strength and weaknesses of the Jones, Willey and Broaddrick cases, concluding the strongest case was Broaddrick.

Peter Baker, in “The Breach,” the definitive account of the impeachment saga, reported that House investigators later found in the files of the independent prosecutor that Jones’s attorneys had collected the names of 21 women who they suspected had had sexual relationships with Clinton. Baker described the files as “wild allegations, sometimes based on nothing more than hearsay claims of third-party witnesses.” But there were some allegations (page 138) that suggested unwelcome advances:

“One woman was alleged to have been asked by Clinton to give him oral sex in a car while he was the state attorney general (a claim she denied). A former Arkansas state employee said that during a presentation, then-Governor Clinton walked behind her and rubbed his pelvis up against her repeatedly. A woman identified as a third cousin of Clinton’s supposedly told her drug counselor during treatment in Arkansas that she was abused by Clinton when she was baby-sitting at the Governor’s Mansion in Little Rock.”
I think some of the women who are on Bill's list would be pretty pissed to hear you or anyone else say what happened between them and Clinton was consensual. Some of these females encounters with Clinton sound very non-consensual. I think you're reaching, and it's okay to admit someone you voted for has feet of clay. It doesn't mean you are less of a Democrat. Heck I voted for both of these guys, and it doesn't bother me a bit to say they are both dirty dogs around women. Obama had an eye for the ladies too, but he had Michelle watching him, and she didn't play.
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