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Old October 31st, 2013, 03:45 PM   #1
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Default the racial question

Okay, I know it's a dangerous topic.

But the "United Skates" thread got me thinking about the whole thing, and now I'm really messed up about the whole issue.

What IS race?

When I was a kid, I always thought that Perry Como was about the whitest guy around.
But then I later found out he was Italian.
!!??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFHLo...749D48B88FC4DE

What the heck is white?
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Old October 31st, 2013, 04:14 PM   #2
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This is a very dangerous topic.
I don`t really know "what is white?" as I don`t see the color of ones skin for me to be able to differentiate one thing from another in ANY walk of life.

lol I`ve often been called by alot my friends, whom the majority of have darker skin than me, "the 'blackest' 'white' guy they know" lol
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Old October 31st, 2013, 04:40 PM   #3
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Shouldn't this topic be moved to the Off-Topic Discussions?
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Old October 31st, 2013, 04:52 PM   #4
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Right, I'd better apologize before this goes any further.

A failed/bad attempt at a joke, trying to show how there is the aspect of an artificial construct to the whole perception.
Listening to Richard Pryor do "white" voices once years ago made me laugh about the hardest I ever have in my life: self-recognition.
There was something in an old National Lampoon "race" issue back in the 70s. Great Contributions of Black Culture: Jazz
Great Contributions of White Culture: Scrabble.

But yeah, too dangerous. I agree.

My apologies.
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Old October 31st, 2013, 06:00 PM   #5
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Interesting, but not suprising.
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Old October 31st, 2013, 06:52 PM   #6
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Default the answer is quite simple

we are all part of the same race. the human race.
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Old October 31st, 2013, 06:57 PM   #7
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we are all part of the same race. the human race.
That is so correct!!! Thank you sir
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Old October 31st, 2013, 07:38 PM   #8
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we are all part of the same race. the human race.
Why would a humane person need to be part of a race? Race is racism. The only purpose for being a member of a race is to practice race-ism.

A human is person that doesn't mistreat people. That is what humanity is all about. And a human is also a person that helps people.

People who are members of a race are race-ists who practice race-ism, which involves the mistreatment of people.

So I know you've been told that there is such a thing as a human race...so much so that it just rolls out of your mouth without you even thinking about whether opr not saying it makes any sense at all. But that term is an oxymoron...it doesn't make sense. Humans are humane people and humane people do not mistreat anyone. Members of a race practice race-ism, which involves mistreating people.

I am not a member of a race. Sorry to disappoint.
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Old October 31st, 2013, 08:03 PM   #9
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I should have never started this.
My intention was actually to attempt to defuse the issue surrounding the topic. I am obviously incapable of that kind of humor.

As I posted it, and in particular the initial responses came in, I realized my error.
In the "United Skates" thread, I referred to a certain aspect of our human nature (yes, I know that is a whole area subject to debate as well), in specific reference to the Jared Diamond book.
As it started to play out, I saw my own responses, (pretty strong) and thought, "Well, it is my job to just observe this (my own set of reactions) and not act on them".

The writer Michael Ventura, in an essay on Nicaragua (at the time of the Reagan-era involvement in Central America) had a great insight on "isms". At stake in Central America were political systems, financial systems - Communism, Capitalism, among others. I unfortunately don't have it with me in order to cite it with any degree of justice, but the gist of was that he called it "Izum" and described it something like "any belief system, against which another can be set, which will create a polarizing force upon which we can project our own beliefs, and along which currents of fear and aggression can run".

It is something that we all do.
We all project. We can't help it.
We are all conditioned by our own experiences, and these often get overlaid by our categories of ethnicity, politics, religion and become generalized.
Hopefully we can become aware of our own projections, and not accept them at face value.
Hopefully we strive to treat other people well.
Hopefully we all try to take responsibility for our own weaknesses and reactions, and not inflict damage as a response to our own pain and anger.
We are very flawed as a species.
There is much goodness in us as well.

This is not all abstract, like many of us, I have had more than I'd like of violence, been on the other end of it.

And I apologize again, this is definitely off-topic.

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Old November 1st, 2013, 03:30 AM   #10
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Yeah this goes in the speedskating forum. They're all a bunch of RACEists.
lol

I hang at the skatepark. All my homies are brown. Well, the good ones anyway. I get damn near as dark as some of them during the summer, but when winter comes they're all like, "Dammm dogg, I didn't know you was so white!" and we high five accordingly and get busy doing our thing.

Skating knows no race. Gender, on the other hand....... "Man did you see that hot chick on the skateboard!" And all the homies say, "DAAAAAAMMN!"
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Old November 5th, 2013, 07:23 PM   #11
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There is a racial thing that is very specific to skating: Black floor rules. They are different from what I would call normal floor rules.

I have skated many times with black floor rules, I understand them, but I do not like them.

As for the United Skates thing, I think it is very cool. That is to say, the black skating thing. I think it is more vibrant than the mainstream skating. But it is not MY thing.

One other thing that caught me sideways was the guy saying, "We don't want to be understood. We want to be acknowledged." I don't quite "get" that sentiment.

In the end, I skate my thing, they skate their thing, and it is all GOOD.
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Old November 5th, 2013, 08:52 PM   #12
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There is a racial thing that is very specific to skating: Black floor rules. They are different from what I would call normal floor rules.

I have skated many times with black floor rules, I understand them, but I do not like them.

As for the United Skates thing, I think it is very cool. That is to say, the black skating thing. I think it is more vibrant than the mainstream skating. But it is not MY thing.

One other thing that caught me sideways was the guy saying, "We don't want to be understood. We want to be acknowledged." I don't quite "get" that sentiment.

In the end, I skate my thing, they skate their thing, and it is all GOOD.
When these things exist that you refer to as "black floor rules", where you have actually seen them exist, do they exist in a roller rink that is owned by white people?
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Old November 7th, 2013, 08:04 PM   #13
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I just want to know.....
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Old November 7th, 2013, 10:40 PM   #14
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I have a different meaning of Race.. (:Big smile

as I'm trying to Race.. All of them.. **
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Interesting blogpost: Minorities in Roller Derby.

http://elektraqtion.blogspot.de/2013...riously-i.html
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Interesting blogpost: Minorities in Roller Derby.

http://elektraqtion.blogspot.de/2013...riously-i.html
Is there a race of people called the minority race?
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Depends on the socialization ;-)
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http://elektraqtion.blogspot.de/2013...riously-i.html
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Depends on the socialization ;-)
That's a binary question. Either there is or there isn't. There's no splittin' the difference.
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Old November 19th, 2013, 07:24 PM   #19
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Race exists, but as a social construction and not a biological one.

For example, Jewish is a religion in America. It is a race in Europe.

Italians, greeks and Irish were not considered "white" until various times the social conditions changed throughout the 20th century.

Hispanic in the most recent census did not preclude you from being white.

Some hispanics of african decent do not consider themselves black but hispanic, even though they look exactly like African-Americans and have the same history.

Genetically, we all have the same 6 mitochondrea markers.

And it takes only 15 minutes to construct racism. The Annenberg experiments were really informative.

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Old November 20th, 2013, 02:24 AM   #20
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Wow.
That is powerful.
It's going to take a little while to process all of that.
I'd known of another social science experiment called "The Third Wave" (more about fascism, as I remember), but this was the first I've heard of the Jane Elliot work.

I'm glad that it highlighted one of the biggest aspects of the whole phenomenon of racism: there is one group that enjoys an advantage over another group. And that the distinction can be made on pretty much any easily identifiable basis, it's just that race is probably the easiest one.
Religion is an easy one too. Protestant/Catholic (in Ireland), Serbs/Croats Eastern Orthodox/Muslim. Christian/Muslim. Jewish/YouNameIt. Sunni/Shia.

"Racism" isn't really necessarily about race, it's about any identifiable social difference, competition, and group advantage. More like tribalism, e.g. Tutu/Hutsi. Maybe even gangs roughly fall into that category.

Seeing that clip was so sad.
So much of what we see in children is just a version of occurs in all of us. It's just that for the most part, they are still forming their views, are more open (haven't learned to edit and hide things as well). As we grow older, we just tend to accept at face value whatever was imprinted. We think that's the way it is.

The dilemma is, what do we do when we become unaware of what we do unconsciously, when these things become embedded in us, and become collective.
That is where the work is.

But any way you look at it, Andy Williams is white.
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