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Old September 6th, 2012, 12:08 AM   #41
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The perception of offensiveness is as diverse as the people on this forum.
This is what I am saying.
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Old September 6th, 2012, 12:23 AM   #42
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no forum is going to be a Norman Rockwell novel. people are going to have their own opinions and ideas. the strong will always intimidate the weak. and some people will be offended by the very existence of others. it is the way of the world.

what about a seperate sub-forum? members only, enter at your own risk, no holds barred with a disclaimer that you must accept to enter? it seems to work most other places.
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Old September 6th, 2012, 12:28 AM   #43
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The perception of offensiveness is as diverse as the people on this forum.
Most of us are able to identify which derogatory terms should not be used to define people or groups. Those who can't make this differentiation probably need a friendly reminder.

While YOU may not see anything positive about any of the responses, Others may have gleaned some insight.

Perhaps the forum needs a more comprehensive word filter??
When people respond multiple times with "your products are absolute crappy and I will never use them", there isn't much you can do to turn it around to a positive outlook. While there very well may be some good through the pages of posts, they are hidden well within enough crud for any interested person in Crazy Skates to be able to see any glimmer of light.

And I did pm some people in that thread telling them they made their point. Didn't stop them.
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Old September 6th, 2012, 12:28 AM   #44
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I used to come here nearly every day, and spend a lot of time reading threads. Now, I'm generally on and off the forum in a couple of minutes. It seems the members that I find most offensive, in almost all their posts, are the ones that never get banned (or a temporary ban, then come back and do the same thing). Yet other people get banned for less. I moderated a forum for years and we had a three strikes and you're out system. Depending what it was, it could be a no posting ban, temporary ban, or full ban. But we had a few moderators, with our one private forum so we could discuss problem members and keep track of who did what (including copies of their deleted posts etc).
Nobody wants to be on a forum when they constantly feel offended by a majority of the posts. I know a lot of people say "harden up, it's the Internet" but it's real people behind those computers with feelings.
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Old September 6th, 2012, 12:39 AM   #45
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what about a seperate sub-forum? members only, enter at your own risk
Sorry, not happening. We won't be giving our forum visitors a place to insult each other without penalty in the SkateLog Forum.

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Old September 6th, 2012, 12:40 AM   #46
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what about a seperate sub-forum? members only, enter at your own risk, no holds barred with a disclaimer that you must accept to enter? it seems to work most other places.
Please stop fighting (thread started serious but now it's just in fun) ( 1 2 3 ... Last Page) We used to let loose a bit in here, but we were just kidding.
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Old September 6th, 2012, 12:45 AM   #47
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Nobody wants to be on a forum when they constantly feel offended by a majority of the posts.
Stormi, if most of the people in the SkateLog Forum felt insulted most of the time we would not have nearly half a million posts in here. I'm not saying there isn't room for improvement but let's not assume or exaggerate how the majority of our forum visitors feel about this forum.

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Old September 6th, 2012, 12:54 AM   #48
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Please stop fighting (thread started serious but now it's just in fun) ( 1 2 3 ... Last Page) We used to let loose a bit in here, but we were just kidding.

yep. that's the way it should be.....BUT. you can find everything in that thread that many are calling for banning or mod actions for in this thread.

it all comes down to intent. intent is always in the eye of the beholder. unfortunately we have too many sour pusses in the world that are always looking for something to cry about. maybe they have a guilty conscience???
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Old September 6th, 2012, 01:13 AM   #49
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it all comes down to intent. intent is always in the eye of the beholder. unfortunately we have too many sour pusses in the world that are always looking for something to cry about. maybe they have a guilty conscience???
Person 1 tells a joke. Person 2 laughs. Person 3 takes offense and assigns "intent" to person 1 and 2. Persons 1 and 2 deny this intent. Person 3 convinced of their superior ability to ferret out a persons' intent digs in their heels, and now person 1 and 2 are EVIL.

I think the person 3's of the world need to get over themselves. If persons 1 and 2 deny the intent, why not just believe it. Don't persons 1 and 2 know their intent better than person 3?

I am pretty sure I know what my intent is better than another person knows.
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Old September 6th, 2012, 01:17 AM   #50
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unfortunately we have too many sour pusses in the world that are always looking for something to cry about.
Even more unfortunately, we have too many forum visitors who could care less if another forum visitor feels insulted. I don't consider a person who feels insulted or offended to be a sourpuss or a crybaby. We may not be able to change our forum rules to accommodate every offended person, but that doesn't mean we don't care how they feel. We *do* care. It's mean spirited not to care.

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Old September 6th, 2012, 01:32 AM   #51
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I am pretty sure I know what my intent is better than another person knows.
Just because the person who made a comment did not intend to offend anybody, does not mean they did not say something offensive. Some people have no clue about what is, and is not, appropriate.

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Old September 6th, 2012, 01:45 AM   #52
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Just because the person who made a comment did not intend to offend anybody, does not mean they did not say something offensive. Some people have no clue about what is, and is not, appropriate.

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So that leads to a couple of possibilities.

1, the offended party is quietly offended.

2, the offended party confronts the offender.

Now if the offender makes it clear that offense was not intended, shouldn't that be the end of it? The alternative is for the offended person to dismiss the offenders claimed intent, assign their own, be offended, and perhaps incite others to be offended as well.

If the offender states an intent that was not to offend, I think folks should take that in good faith. Otherwise an unending mess can ensue.
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Old September 6th, 2012, 01:56 AM   #53
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If the offender states an intent that was not to offend, I think folks should take that in good faith.
Depending on how offensive a comment is, that may or may not be a realistic expectation. I have had to delete posts that were blatantly and incredibly offensive and ugly, and the poster still said "I didn't expect anybody to be offended. Those people need thicker skin".

Like I said, some people have no clue about what is appropriate.

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I'll buy that. If it can be realistically explained in another way. Blatant is just blatant.
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Depending on how offensive a comment is, that may or may not be a realistic expectation. I have had to delete posts that were blatantly and incredibly offensive and ugly, and the poster still said "I didn't expect anybody to be offended. Those people need thicker skin".

Like I said, some people have no clue about what is appropriate.

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Or the folks that lead with "No offence, but ..."! My mum had to have Very Firm Words with me about doing that to my sister when I was a kid. If you have to lead with "No offence but", you're probably saying something offensive.
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Stormi, if most of the people in the SkateLog Forum felt insulted most of the time we would not have nearly half a million posts in here. I'm not saying there isn't room for improvement but let's not assume or exaggerate how the majority of our forum visitors feel about this forum.

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Well there seems to be a lot of regular members who have "disappeared". Or maybe I just tend to read the sub forums where particular members that offend me tend to post. Doesn't bother me, either way. I'm just stating my opinion. Maybe I'll take up artistic skating, I'm sure that section doesn't have the dramas that quad skating forum had
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Old September 6th, 2012, 02:25 PM   #57
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Well there seems to be a lot of regular members who have "disappeared".
I being one of them for various reasons. I lurk evey once in a while, but rarely post. This seems like a good thread to throw out a few things that have kept me away and probably a few others as well.

1. I've read this entire thread and although I thought it to be about banning users and reasons for, it actually turned out to be a debate on if the term "queer" was suitable for use. This is how the threads on this fourm turn out and my number one reason for staying away. Start a thread on one thing and it takes a complete left turn into something else. One person says the sky is blue and another says it's not and then someone else jumps in and states their thoughts and opinions. Soon one person gets offended, types something derogatory and away we go.

I know this forum is limited for mods, but maybe it's time to start adding a few more to head these derailments off at the pass. I've been on plenty of forums where upstanding members are appointed mods and allowed to police. Why not have a mod for each sub-forum to help keep the peace? I'm sure you'd have plenty of volunteers.

2. Another thing that turned me off, was the influx of hawkers and peddlers who jumped on the recent resurgance of 8 wheeled skating to start using the forum to turn a buck. Use to be, you could peruse the "for sale" forums and never see the same person selling more than one thing at a time. Now there are a few members who have combed every yard sale and flea market to find skating junk to sell on here. It's a free market and all but come on, time to cut these bloodsuckers loose. Quit trying to make a living off a set of 1972 Chicago boat anchors.


Below are a few suggestions to maybe slow the roll of the naysayers and tree shakers.

One thing I think would be a good additon would be a "Suppliers" subforum. Let the guys out there who put the time and effort into starting their own skating equipment business use it to advertise their websites and sales. The mods would decide which suppliers to include and I would suggest that only the supplier gets to post in their respected threads. Save on the chit chat.

Another suggestion would be a "Review" subforum. Let the members who actually use the equipment and suppliers voice their opinions and give honest reviews. Hard to argue with someone who's out there skating on the stuff. You can allow positive and negative reviews to pacify both sides.

I'm guilty of my own crime by wandering off topic a bit, but it seemed like a good thread to air a few thoughts. I apologize.

I use to live on here and I've made tons of friends with people all over the world through this forum. But I will continue to stay away until things make a turn around. Good luck!
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Old September 6th, 2012, 04:06 PM   #58
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For those who don't agree with our style of moderating in the SkateLog forum... who we're banning, who we're not banning, and some of the decisions we've made: We're always open to suggestions about how to improve things in this forum, and we've changed some of our methods and policies over time, but something very important to us....

We don't want to tamper with success. In general, Jessica and I feel our moderation and tone is just about right for this particular forum. We feel that way because we have so many regular followers, tens of thousands of them, both members and non-member fans. Also because the number of page views received by this forum has always increased over time, never decreased.

For those reasons, we are very careful about tweaking things in the SkateLog Forum.

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I thought it to be about banning users and reasons for, it actually turned out to be a debate on if the term "queer" was suitable for use.
Good point! We spun off the "queer" and "retard" discussions and gave them their own threads.

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I know this forum is limited for mods, but maybe it's time to start adding a few more to head these derailments off at the pass. I've been on plenty of forums where upstanding members are appointed mods and allowed to police. Why not have a mod for each sub-forum to help keep the peace? I'm sure you'd have plenty of volunteers.

That is a horrible idea. We have a great moderation team now.
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