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Ask DocSk8 (Expert Indoor Skate Building Advice) This forum is different then the other SkateLog forums in that it is not a discussion forum, but rather a place you can ask skate building expert Fred "DocSk8" Benjamin about building and repairing indoor speed, derby, and jamskate quad roller skates. Please start a new thread for each new question.

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Old June 7th, 2016, 12:42 PM   #1
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I want to know what you would recommend to me. Maybe this is all too much information but I don't have anywhere locally to try a range of skates, although I'm headed to 5th Blocker in Glasgow in two weeks hopefully, so I'll take any advice in with me!!

My total budget right now is about 150-200 although I might be able to stretch a little higher. I am cool with collecting parts over time to enable a better quality purchase. For now I'm back to borrowing stock R3s in an 8 from my league since my cheap starter boots died.

I would be OK with mounting to my current aluminium plate initially to enable me to afford a better boot right now (although I have found a used Invader size 3 for cheap, which I am giving some thought). I know that I want D45 plates eventually and to try short(er) forward mounting when I do get plates!

I am trying some teamie's skates meantime, but most of them near my size skate Riedells, all of which I've found pinch me horribly.

I like the reviews I have read of Sure Grip's S55, S75 (very similar I know) and Isis (similar again but runs smaller I think) but I don't know what 5th Blocker will have in stock when I go and there isn't stock anywhere else near me that I can try on, so that's a challenge.

I have also contacted Bont to price up semi-custom because I have wide feet and weird toes including some nerve damage in my right big toe joint. Although I am a little wary of redrilling these for a new plate down the line, since the soles are a more brittle material, I think? Maybe I misunderstood that.

The aluminium plate I have came stock with my size 8 Rio Riot starter skate, which was what I could afford at the time, it was a standard mount before I removed it from my dead boots, 10.5" with 7.25" between axles. The boot was definitely too big, which I know now. Live and learn.

Feet (in mm this time, sorry):
L: 248L 114W
R:254L 108W

From my heel at my inside ankle bone to my big toe knuckle is 5.5" on both feet. So my research says a size 2 or 3 Invader or XK-4 would suit my eventual goal

I am really exploring my options and would view recommendations and opinions offered here as definitive in guiding my future purchases.

Oh yeah - edited a couple things for clarity and proofreading - there are a barely-used pair of Luigino Q4s in a 9 (I've heard they fit oddly small.. but can be molded wider)... but these are not popular with derby skaters from what this forum has to say!
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Old June 8th, 2016, 02:21 AM   #2
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I want to know what you would recommend to me. Maybe this is all too much information but I don't have anywhere locally to try a range of skates, although I'm headed to 5th Blocker in Glasgow in two weeks hopefully, so I'll take any advice in with me!!

I'll try to help....

My total budget right now is about 150-200 although I might be able to stretch a little higher. I am cool with collecting parts over time to enable a better quality purchase.

That is a god idea. I wish more folks would look into this concept.

For now I'm back to borrowing stock R3s in an 8 from my league since my cheap starter boots died.

That sucks.. Not a big R3 Fan

I would be OK with mounting to my current aluminium plate initially to enable me to afford a better boot right now (although I have found a used Invader size 3 for cheap, which I am giving some thought). I know that I want D45 plates eventually and to try short(er) forward mounting when I do get plates!

Is the Invader converted to DA45 or is it still single action?? I applaud your goals BTW.

I am trying some teamie's skates meantime, but most of them near my size skate Riedells, all of which I've found pinch me horribly.

Gee I wonder why??

I like the reviews I have read of Sure Grip's S55, S75 (very similar I know) and Isis (similar again but runs smaller I think)

The S boots are wider than normal men's width. The Isis is sized in US ladies and is narrower.

but I don't know what 5th Blocker will have in stock when I go and there isn't stock anywhere else near me that I can try on, so that's a challenge.

True that.

I have also contacted Bont to price up semi-custom because I have wide feet and weird toes including some nerve damage in my right big toe joint. Although I am a little wary of redrilling these for a new plate down the line, since the soles are a more brittle material, I think? Maybe I misunderstood that.

I have seen some of the older ones that look like Swiss cheese and are still holding up. I think some semi custom fiberglass boots would do the trick.

The aluminium plate I have came stock with my size 8 Rio Riot starter skate, which was what I could afford at the time, it was a standard mount before I removed it from my dead boots, 10.5" with 7.25" between axles.

Can you say long board?? I can. Base on my sizing (My bigger foot is a 263mm... and I roll 6" to 6 3/8". The vast majority of the derby sk8s I build follow in this mold.

The boot was definitely too big, which I know now. Live and learn.

Feet (in mm this time, sorry):
L: 248L 114W
R:254L 108W

How did you measure this?? Based on these numbers you have very very wide feet.

From my heel at my inside ankle bone to my big toe knuckle is 5.5" on both feet. So my research says a size 2 or 3 Invader or XK-4 would suit my eventual goal

Save up for an Avenger. But yes a 2 or 3 would be a good choice.

I am really exploring my options and would view recommendations and opinions offered here as definitive in guiding my future purchases.

Oh yeah - edited a couple things for clarity and proofreading - there are a barely-used pair of Luigino Q4s in a 9 (I've heard they fit oddly small.. but can be molded wider)... but these are not popular with derby skaters from what this forum has to say!
Here is what I see. If you have 6mm difference in foot length, (almost a full size US mens) you seriously should consider the semi custom Bont. I just hope your feet are not too too wide for the semis. (Your left foot looks to be way out of range for a Bont double wide which is as wide as the Semis go) Here is the other consideration based on your numbers. Getting a pair of boots the same size will NOT work well for you. The boot that is on your shorter foot will always be loose and your heel will try to lift out. It will also want to slide forward when you are on your stops. So you really do need 2 different sizes. I wish you luck finding something that will work.
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Old June 8th, 2016, 07:38 AM   #3
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Here is what I see. If you have 6mm difference in foot length, (almost a full size US mens) you seriously should consider the semi custom Bont. I just hope your feet are not too too wide for the semis. (Your left foot looks to be way out of range for a Bont double wide which is as wide as the Semis go) Here is the other consideration based on your numbers. Getting a pair of boots the same size will NOT work well for you. The boot that is on your shorter foot will always be loose and your heel will try to lift out. It will also want to slide forward when you are on your stops. So you really do need 2 different sizes. I wish you luck finding something that will work.
Thank you! I am waiting on Bont to email back (good job me, breaking a skate during Champs season ... sigh). I had a gut feeling this might be the way forward.

I've gone to check with the seller of the Invader but if it is DA45 then I'm going to get that for now (since the long plate I have won't fit on any properly fitting boot I will buy) and then I guess it's a waiting game for the Bonts, unless I find something off-the-shelf at 5th Blocker that really feels good on and sticks to both my feet! Or maybe a miracle will happen and someone will post on the UK RDR group with Bonts in my exact sizes...

RE: how did I get my measurements, I followed Bont's tracing instructions and then measured on the tracing paper. I have short toes and flat feet. I did try and go somewhere with a Brannock device but unfortunately the Clarks near me uses their own proprietary one - however it did funnily enough match the Bont website sizing and confirmed for my length I need a wide fit.

Thank you for your help Doc, much appreciated
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Old June 8th, 2016, 10:31 PM   #4
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Doc, I dunno if you like updates, but lucky me someone at practice had a pair of S75s short mounted to Avenger Mags... had a proper old skate around in them and it was such an improvement.

What a change from too big and too narrow boots ... once I got over the weirdness of her pusher setup it was like my legs grew the wheels themselves.

HOORAY! I am waiting on the pricing for the Bonts to compare, but either way it looks like I've managed to scrabble together a full set of skates from parts for just barely over 200 at really short notice, with no prior skate knowledge, using all the great advice and posts on this lovely forum
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Thumbs up Doc Loves updates.

Especially happy ones. Don't ya love it when a plan starts to come together with real facts as a basis??
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Old July 22nd, 2016, 08:14 PM   #6
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Especially happy ones. Don't ya love it when a plan starts to come together with real facts as a basis??
SO.... shortly after this post and your advice, I went to 5th Blocker, bought S75 boots, had a fit of obsession/motivation, read ALL of the posts on here I could find about people's DIY mounting adventures and mishaps, and all the advice you put up at various times, and messaging pics of placement taping/marking to more experienced teamies and... successfully mounted my S75s to my 2nd hand Invaders.

It's a forward mount and they skate great, so much better than anything I've touched. I'm sure there are imperfections in the mount - drilling through the heels was terrifying and I was so worried but I thought, hey, mark twice drill once and don't **** it up.

If you would like I am happy to post a pic! I think if I were to do it all again (as I am sure I will one day) I probably got the right plate just a smidgen-hair too far to the right at the front, but I can't tell when skating on it.

It was a really fun adventure and I probably saved about 150 doing it this way.

Next up: changing purple cushions for blues (maybe); healing this ankle fracture (not a derby incident); getting Zombie mids in a mid-90s duro... yep.

Thanks again Doc.
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SO.... shortly after this post and your advice, I went to 5th Blocker, bought S75 boots, had a fit of obsession/motivation, read ALL of the posts on here I could find about people's DIY mounting adventures and mishaps, and all the advice you put up at various times, and messaging pics of placement taping/marking to more experienced teamies and... successfully mounted my S75s to my 2nd hand Invaders.

Congrats.


It's a forward mount and they skate great, so much better than anything I've touched. I'm sure there are imperfections in the mount - drilling through the heels was terrifying and I was so worried but I thought, hey, mark twice drill once and don't **** it up.

Even effing up a heel drill job does not need to be fatal but double checking is always a good idea.

If you would like I am happy to post a pic! I think if I were to do it all again (as I am sure I will one day) I probably got the right plate just a smidgen-hair too far to the right at the front, but I can't tell when skating on it.

IF you move it, you will be able to tell because it will behave a bit differently. This is part of the learning curve. Feel free to show off your work.

It was a really fun adventure and I probably saved about 150 doing it this way.

Not small change.. Good for you

Next up: changing purple cushions for blues (maybe);

Here is an idea. Get some blue cones first and try them with he purple barrels. You may be pleasantly surprised.

healing this ankle fracture (not a derby incident); getting Zombie mids in a mid-90s duro... yep.

Red hub 95s...

Thanks again Doc.
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