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Old April 26th, 2016, 07:51 AM   #1
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Finally took the plunge and bought some Riedell skates yesterday. Went for a test drive and my lord, the wheels are hard as nails and it's all but impossible to use them on roads or - really - any not entirely flat and smooth surface.

So I need to buy some new wheels, any advice for quite rough surfaces?

Basically, there are so many wheels: how do I choose good ones and ones that don't feel like I'm in a car from the 1920s riding over boulders?

Edit: I've seem some 78a wheels on eBay that look great, but they're sooo expensive. Don't want to splash out without some advice.
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I recently decided to convert my older Reidell/Roll-Line skates to be outdoor and did some looking. Most wheels run between $50 and $100 for a set of 8.

Here are a couple of threads to read through to help you decide:

http://www.skatelogforum.com/forums/...ad.php?t=34805

http://www.skatelogforum.com/forums/...archid=3734308

By the way, I ended up grabbing a set of 78A Radar Flyer wheels at an average price of $70/set of 8. According to some, a size of 70mm diameter is the sweet spot for where to be in size. My mounting type limits my options, so I chose the Radar wheels at 66mm in diameter.
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I recently decided to convert my older Reidell/Roll-Line skates to be outdoor and did some looking. Most wheels run between $50 and $100 for a set of 8.

Here are a couple of threads to read through to help you decide:

http://www.skatelogforum.com/forums/...ad.php?t=34805

http://www.skatelogforum.com/forums/...archid=3734308

By the way, I ended up grabbing a set of 78A Radar Flyer wheels at an average price of $70/set of 8. According to some, a size of 70mm diameter is the sweet spot for where to be in size. My mounting type limits my options, so I chose the Radar wheels at 66mm in diameter.
You beauty! Thanks for this! I'll pick some up tomorrow
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Which wheels did you decide on? There were several different types listed in the threads that I posted. Hopefully, you didn't just look at the Flyers and say "that's what I want". There were some really good wheels posted in the two threads.

A lot of folks seem to like the Kryptonics Route wheels. Radar makes a few different outdoor wheels (Flyer, Pure, Energy, Zen).

Some even go the route of using longboard wheels. As I own a couple of longboards, I can see why. I like the Orangatang brand of longboard wheels. However, longboard wheels tend to be a bit wide, so they put them on a lathe and cut the width down.
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Which wheels did you decide on? There were several different types listed in the threads that I posted. Hopefully, you didn't just look at the Flyers and say "that's what I want". There were some really good wheels posted in the two threads.

A lot of folks seem to like the Kryptonics Route wheels. Radar makes a few different outdoor wheels (Flyer, Pure, Energy, Zen).
I'm really tempted with these: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1813720339...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

I like them because they're a 78 and I wanted lots of grip

But Skate Hut has recommended the Kyryptonics, but they don't have colours which will look good on my skates (only white and pink at the moment).

Basically, it's a minefield and I have zero experience, so I guess buying some wheels and checking them out is the way forward...
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I'm really tempted with these: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1813720339...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

I like them because they're a 78 and I wanted lots of grip

But Skate Hut has recommended the Kyryptonics, but they don't have colours which will look good on my skates (only white and pink at the moment).

Basically, it's a minefield and I have zero experience, so I guess buying some wheels and checking them out is the way forward...
The Flyers that I purchased are also 78A. The Sure Grip wheels you posted are a nice size at 65mm x 38mm. But that site has them for 51.99 pounds + 19.99 pounds shipping. That's the equivalent of $104USD. In the US, there are sites selling them for $58USD for a set of 8 + maybe $10USD shipping. That's just under 47 pounds, shipped. You may want to shop around a little.

Since you showed an eBay UK site, I assume that you're over in the UK?

Try here: http://skatebritain.net/suregrip-qua...ck-17558-p.asp

$49.99 with VAT and you can get free shipping in the UK.
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Your goal should be to use the largest and narrowest quad wheels that will fit your plate. without wheel bite, in the 78A to 84A range (rougher asphalt→ lower Duro #). They need to be made with a HIGH REBOUND urethane formula or they will suck in the rougher surfaces.

The optimum wheel contact patch width is about 35mm +/-3mm depending on skater weight & urethane firmness (heavier skater→ wider; firmer wheel→ wider)

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Finally took the plunge and bought some Riedell skates yesterday. Went for a test drive and my lord, the wheels are hard as nails and it's all but impossible to use them on roads or - really - any not entirely flat and smooth surface.

So I need to buy some new wheels, any advice for quite rough surfaces?

Basically, there are so many wheels: how do I choose good ones and ones that don't feel like I'm in a car from the 1920s riding over boulders?

Edit: I've seem some 78a wheels on eBay that look great, but they're sooo expensive. Don't want to splash out without some advice.

I live in Scarborough so skating on the front skating on roads and paths. Don't want to do tricks, but something that you can be arty on would be cool.

It's Tricky as I kinda want to do a bit of everything.

I want the moon on a stick don't I?
I'd ignore the advice for large wheels, they work great if you want to go straight, if you're a beginning skater I would suggest slightly smaller wheels, more control, the route59 wheels are great outdoor wheels slightly smaller,
http://www.skates.com/Kryptonics-rol...-8-p/krw59.htm
They come in various sizes, again, large diameter wheels are for going straight and fast, you seem to be looking more for a wheel that's fun to tool around on.
Another set of bearings would allow you to just switch wheels for either venue, a bearing press is still necessary
http://www.skates.com/Powerdyne-Bear...pdynepress.htm
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I'd ignore the advice for large wheels, they work great if you want to go straight, if you're a beginning skater I would suggest slightly smaller wheels, more control, the route59 wheels are great outdoor wheels slightly smaller,
http://www.skates.com/Kryptonics-rol...-8-p/krw59.htm
They come in various sizes, again, large diameter wheels are for going straight and fast, you seem to be looking more for a wheel that's fun to tool around on.
Another set of bearings would allow you to just switch wheels for either venue, a bearing press is still necessary
http://www.skates.com/Powerdyne-Bear...pdynepress.htm
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If your plate suspension is tuned for freedom of action throughout the full range of potential truck swing before wheel bite, and the plate deck height clearance above the wheel is adequate, then sharp turning with 70mm and larger wheels is not a problem.

I can skate super tight circles down to about 4 foot diameter with all wheels down on the rolling surface outdoors with ease on the 76mm OD wheels of the slates in my avatar PIC, which have a fairly long wheelbase too.

ursle has no problems with doling out bad advice for things about which he has either limited experience, no competence, little understanding, or insufficient skills to resolve the imaginary issues he mythologizes.

Sharp turning is always more related to suspension tuning than anything else, and larger/narrower wheels only become a problem when the suspension is adjusted stiff and chokes up the truck swing with too rapid of a rise in the ramp up of cushion resistance. Larger and narrower wheels reduce the available leverage for working the action. This does not make them a poor choice, it just means the suspension must be tweaked to reduce the level of peak cushion resistance and to slow the rate at which it ramps up.

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ursle has no problems with doling out bad advice for things about which he has either limited experience, no competence, little understanding, or insufficient skills to resolve the imaginary issues he mythologizes.
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I again would advise the op to ignore the trash talk and advice unless of course he's a delusional, short, fat old man that can't articulate his ankles and trolls around on skate log.
Inlines are great for speed, quads are great for fun, anyone posing on quads pretending they have the accomplishments of an inline speed skater, is simply trolling.
Bad advice, right, show us your two broken shoulders due to ineptitude, and a broken wrist, again due to ineptitude, and hopefully no others have broken bones following delusional advice.
Anyway, hopefully the op will sort out the bs and delusional ranting from reality.
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I again would advise the op to ignore the trash talk and advice unless of course he's a delusional, short, fat old man that can't articulate his ankles and trolls around on skate log.

Anyway, hopefully the op will sort out the bs and delusional ranting from reality.
I've tried to order those Sure-Grip from 3 places now and they've all been out of stock, so I think the powers that be are telling me something.

I know there are plenty of great wheels out there, but even with the 9 page thread on the issue, it's hard to sort out a consensus on which wheels are best.
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I have a set of radar flat outs, the hubs are soft plastic the urethane is terrible, they are terrible wheels, I would skip over sure grip outdoor wheels generally, but the kryptonics are good wheels with good urethane, personally, my favorite are the roll-line heliums, a 64mm high wheel with and excellent hub and outstanding urethane, it's 82a but has a thin layer of urethane, making it seem softer?, and again, the 59mm kryptonic route59 is a very nice wheel, and they come 62mm, and larger.
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I have had great luck with using wheels that are made for longboards. They are generally bigger for ease over the cracks and ruff stuff. They are duros that are made for the outdoors, usually less than 88a. They come in a ton of colors and sizes as well. I have cut some down for a better fit. And now for the best part....They are almost always less expensive than wheels for roller skates. Not to mention you can find them in most malls, shopping centers, or anywhere they sell skateboards. ARBOR, BLANK, BLOOD ORANGE, BUSTIN, CADILLAC, CLOUD, RIDE, EARTHWING, GLOBE, GOLDCOAST, GRAVITY, HAWGS, KRYPTONICS, METRO, OJ, ORANGATANG, PINK, RAD, RAYNE, REMEMBER, RETRO, SECTOR 9, SEISMIC, SUNSET, THESE, VENOM, WHITE LIGHTNING. Those are just some of the companies, each with multiple choices. Longboarding is about a thousand times more popular than roller skating, even though they are both awesome, and this is why they are inexpensive. Just shop around, with these prices you can experiment. My personal recommendation is the Shark wheels or Kryptonics Route line. Best of luck.
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I have had great luck with using wheels that are made for longboards. They are generally bigger for ease over the cracks and ruff stuff. They are duros that are made for the outdoors, usually less than 88a. They come in a ton of colors and sizes as well. I have cut some down for a better fit. And now for the best part....They are almost always less expensive than wheels for roller skates. Not to mention you can find them in most malls, shopping centers, or anywhere they sell skateboards. ARBOR, BLANK, BLOOD ORANGE, BUSTIN, CADILLAC, CLOUD, RIDE, EARTHWING, GLOBE, GOLDCOAST, GRAVITY, HAWGS, KRYPTONICS, METRO, OJ, ORANGATANG, PINK, RAD, RAYNE, REMEMBER, RETRO, SECTOR 9, SEISMIC, SUNSET, THESE, VENOM, WHITE LIGHTNING. Those are just some of the companies, each with multiple choices. Longboarding is about a thousand times more popular than roller skating, even though they are both awesome, and this is why they are inexpensive. Just shop around, with these prices you can experiment. My personal recommendation is the Shark wheels or Kryptonics Route line. Best of luck.
I heartily second this opinion.

I am curious about what OD size of Shark wheel did you get and like so much, and why? What Duro # are they?

How much & how fast did the 3 contact patches wear down initially, and to what reduction of diameter size did they drop to before the process stabilized?

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I heartily second this opinion.

I am curious about what OD size of Shark wheel did you get and like so much, and why? What Duro # are they?

How much & how fast did the 3 contact patches wear down initially, and to what reduction of diameter size did they drop to before the process stabilized?

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I have been using the California Roll in blue. They are 60mm OD and are 78a. They are what I use at our riverfront park. The concrete path is poured in slabs that have pretty big expansion joints. They seem to work well for me. They are great when the weather doesn't cooperate. I'm heavier, so they did wear a little fast at first, but once the points flattened a bit the wear seemed to slow a bit. That seemed to happen after about 2-3mm of wear. Overall I like them but probably not my first choice.
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Bit of an issue. LOL. I bought my wheels and there's no bearings in them.

Are they easy to replace? Should I just get a replacement pack and do it myself?

Are they all the same size?
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Bit of an issue. LOL. I bought my wheels and there's no bearings in them.

Are they easy to replace? Should I just get a replacement pack and do it myself?

Are they all the same size?

No, very rarely do new wheels come with bearings unless it is offered by the retailer. So yes you will want some new bearings. They are easy to replace. I highly recommend different sets for indoor and outdoor. My old (still good) indoor bearings often become my outdoor bearings. The sizing should be simple. You will want to look for 608 size bearings for either 7 or 8mm axles, whichever you have. As for the brand or style you should get, there are literally 1000's of choices and everyone likes something different and will argue that the ones they use are the very best. Bones and Oust work for me. Oust is still new to me but I will never stop using Bones Swiss. Best of luck
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As for the brand or style you should get, there are literally 1000's of choices and everyone likes something different and will argue that the ones they use are the very best. Bones and Oust work for me. Oust is still new to me but I will never stop using Bones Swiss. Best of luck
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I'll order some tomorrow. I'm sure most online places sell them, right?
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I'll order some tomorrow. I'm sure most online places sell them, right?

Yes, all over the place. Definitely check out ebay some sweet prices.
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... my favorite are the roll-line heliums, a 64mm high wheel with and excellent hub and outstanding urethane, it's 82a but has a thin layer of urethane, making it seem softer?, and again, the 59mm kryptonic route59 is a very nice wheel, and they come 62mm, and larger.
For rougher surfaces outdoors, neither of the above suggested wheels are appropriate. Krypto 65 is smallest one that rolls adequately well.

The too thin urethane layer of the Roll Line 64mm Helium wheels causes deep cuts from sharp edge stone or other contacts to initiate and accumulate rapidly, and especially on the thinnest zone just near the circle of the hub's protruding ring that safety locks the urethane from sliding laterally off the hub (should the urethane become 100% debonded), which it gradually tends to start doing, initiating first along the same too thin protruding ring zone layer where the cuts appear. I own two sets of these Heliums and have rolled enough miles on rough asphalt having scattered & not always avoidable sharp edged stones see this Helium urethane damage happening.
One set has reached stage where all 8 wheel are at some level of serious cuts and obvious debonding. Second set has less miles, but same degradation process has begun on most of them.

Thinner urethane will makes wheels roll as if they were a FIRMER duro, not a softer duro. Less wheel squish happens with thinner urethane which is more similar to the less squish of a harder, thicker layered urethane wheel.
Because the layer is too thin to allow for much squish to happen, instead of the sharp edges just squishing it in & out, instead they penetrate into the urethane from the greater pressure that develops with less squish action.

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