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Old March 25th, 2016, 11:32 AM   #1
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I bought some roll line wheels for outdoor use, and i am very unimpressed.

Roll*line Heliums, bleh, my freaking poisons, or superflys work 10x better.

Whos got comparisons for outdoor wheels, modified and unmodified, im not sure what the limit of wheel size is on my skates, probably around 70mm without compromising too much turning.

Thought about zombie hawg wheels, minis maybe? No lip needed, 30mm contact patch works great, tried my vanilla groove n glides outdoors, and despite being listed as 99A and an aluminum hub, they did well. These will be mainly used for speed not agility so turning isnt a huge deal.

Weight is not a concern, would like to keep it down, but oh well if it cant be helped.

Ive never rolled those velocity race wheels, but I cant imagine them being as good as people talked about. After hearing how "good" these roll lines were supposed to be, and being greatly disappointed, i have heavy doubts on the twisters.

Road hogs are an option for a non modified wheel. Terrain doesnt matter, but the rougher the better for comparison honestly, th ad ts where you really see the advantages of a wheel with better rebound at the same duro.

What wheels have you rolled? What did you consider the best? Why?
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Old March 26th, 2016, 06:53 AM   #2
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Mort,

How much do you weigh? Were the Heliums you skated brand new or used?
They have a potential design flaw that results from having such a big 49mm hub diameter and thin urethane layer ~7mm,

The flaw is that a heavy skater rolling a very rough asphalt can cause overstressing of the urethane layer from it being so thin. This can incrementally debond the urethane from the hub, and you can see what looks like bubbles forming between the transparent inside thane layer and the hub surface. Once this starts, it's all downhill from there, and the wheels start sucking up your rolling momentum.

The 70mm V-R wheels are near impossible to beat in that size. Their urethane formula has amazingly high rebound, and is just the right firmness to match up with medium quality or better asphalt. On fairly smooth to very smooth asphalt, I do not think a 100-175 lb. skater can beat them. Their black evil twin 70mm RD Twisters are IMO not quite as good and definitely not as durable of a urethane formula, especially when it comes to cuts, splits, and urethane debonding along the edges. Both type wheels have very good stiffness too, from their 12 full width spokes design, giving total support of the hub cylinder all the way out to both wheel edges.

The 76mm Z-Hawgs in 84A or 86A, then narrowed to fully remove the lip at ~32mm (depending on skater weight) is what I really think you should get. They have such really good roll rebound and extremely good durability. My one negative on them is that the hub cylinder squish flexes a bit where there is no spoke support on outer side, and the plastic cylinder for the bearing is a bit flimsy too. Somehow though this flexing looks worse than it actually seems to affect the roll performance negatively.

Lastly, for a heavier skater rolling on a lot of rougher surfaces, I think the Orangatang Kegels 80mm in 84A (purple), or 80A (orange) for really rough surfaces. are the way to go, but only if the plate can handle their larger size OD.

Every time I roll my avatar PIC skates, and I mean EVERY time, the 76mm/84A Z-Hawgs NEVER cease to impress me with their great smooth cushioning, efficient roll, and their ability to take big impact hits on surface debris and imperfections without hanging up or getting damaged.

Nearing 1500 miles soon and still no bad cuts or significant chunks missing.

The 70mm Velocity Race wheels will still match or beat them on really good asphalt though, and will kill them for low weight and very low flex too.

I assure anyone considering the cost of narrowing the Z-Hawgs, it is absolutely well worth it both for the performance & weight improvement, and especially for their 2500+ mile life estimate.

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Old March 26th, 2016, 11:40 AM   #3
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I dont have a lot of deck height to play with. Thats my killer there.

The heliums were brand new. I do think the heliums urethane is way too thin, but even indoors, the speed they have is crap IMO. Like I can do better on poisons easily. I dont think their urethane is good either.

What about the mini hawgs? Do you know if they are a good candidate for the job?

Cosmic superflys did well outdoors. A bit rough on poor payvement, but I dont have problems laying down 20+ if I want.

6'1" 185lb
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Mort, what plates and how stiff do you set your suspension? With Helium wheels it must be responsive and allow wheels to always stay down flat on rolling surface all the way across the wheel. No rolling the edges with them, because that over crushes the super thin urethane layer and kills the rebound. This applies to all very large hub (49mm) wheels with thin (<10mm) urethane layers.

Also, beware of going too firm outdoors because you will shred the urethane up in no time, especially on concrete. If wheel firmness is high enough that you feel the vibrations at a foot annoying level, then you are bleeding your rolling momentum energy away from too much vertical wheel oscillation amplitude, and a softer high rebound duro will potentially & typically give you more speed with less vertical oscillation.

What axle size will you use? I suggest 8mm and stainless bearings with SiN ceramic balls for no worry with water. You can get a set for under ~$100 if you shop well.

What is your foot size? I have an extra set of Twister 70mm wheels I could let you test, and if you like them, maybe even a virgin set Velocity Race ones I could sell you too. They both have steel bearing sleeves for the 8mm axle size too. Unfortunately, they are the 19mm OD bearing size (available for 7mm axles too).

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Old March 26th, 2016, 06:21 PM   #5
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Mort, what plates and how stiff do you set your suspension? With Helium wheels it must be responsive and allow wheels to always stay down flat on rolling surface all the way across the wheel. No rolling the edges with them, because that over crushes the super thin urethane layer and kills the rebound. This applies to all very large hub (49mm) wheels with thin (<10mm) urethane layers.

Also, beware of going too firm outdoors because you will shred the urethane up in no time, especially on concrete. If wheel firmness is high enough that you feel the vibrations at a foot annoying level, then you are bleeding your rolling momentum energy away from too much vertical wheel oscillation amplitude, and a softer high rebound duro will potentially & typically give you more speed with less vertical oscillation.

What axle size will you use? I suggest 8mm and stainless bearings with SiN ceramic balls for no worry with water. You can get a set for under ~$100 if you shop well.

What is your foot size? I have an extra set of Twister 70mm wheels I could let you test, and if you like them, maybe even a virgin set Velocity Race ones I could sell you too. They both have steel bearing sleeves for the 8mm axle size too. Unfortunately, they are the 19mm OD bearing size (available for 7mm axles too).

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I dont do 7mm axles, i have 2 skate plates with them, a set of carreras, and a proline. Neither of them do I use.

Arius has 8mm axles only at this time. I wear a size 10 vanilla freestyke, my feet are 283mm in length, the plate is 193mm long. The only way to get the axle farther forward is NTS or flip the plate around.

Ill just buy some stainless bearings grease packed NMB from randy welch 17 $ for a full set. Need to buy more wheels first before investing in insignificant gains from bearings.

The skates have 80A cushion in them and they are well broken in. I can wheelbite if I wish on 57mm wheels, or carve a 4 foot circle on one foot. The roll lines are slow even rolling over fair asphalt in a straight line. As wide as the atom poisons are they are still worlds better. Hell even the groove n glides aluminum hubbed wheels at an advertised 99A are better. (30mm wide)

How much ya talking for wheels?
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Old March 28th, 2016, 04:43 PM   #6
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Velocity Race wheels ARE all that and a bag of chips. Light, agile, fast, and just all around amazing. Speed, jam, and art skating outside. I love love love these wheels!

Radar Pures were great. They rolled over everything and really offered good roll for the push. They were heavy compared with the Race wheels and in retrospect seemed more boggy.

Kryptonic Route 62. Skated these into the ground a few years ago. I liked the measurements of the wheel. Seemed to be best for art skating outside. Not really all that great going long distances. Seemed to not get as much glide per push as a bigger wheel. Also quite soft. got a nail lodged in one wheel with in the first 30 days of use. Lighter than the Pures.
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