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Ask DocSk8 (Expert Indoor Skate Building Advice) This forum is different then the other SkateLog forums in that it is not a discussion forum, but rather a place you can ask skate building expert Fred "DocSk8" Benjamin about building and repairing indoor speed, derby, and jamskate quad roller skates. Please start a new thread for each new question.

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Old August 29th, 2016, 01:07 AM   #1
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Default Mystery ?40+yo vintage speed skates that need parts

I started skating again a couple of months ago after 25years and I picked up some skates from a thrift shop. They originally had small split wood wheels on them so they are in fantastic condition considering they must have been stored unused for decades. But the bushings are probably past their use by date. Problem is that I have no clue what they are to find parts and have had no luck finding anything about them with Google searches. The local rink owner couldn't identify them despite his 40 years of experience. He told me they were in the "Snyder family" of skates and he didn't have the parts to service them.

They are stamped with SMA and MARATHON.

Are you able to identify them and let me know what parts they may need to keep them going (also if that is worth doing IYO) and where I might get them? My skills and knowledge as a teenager when I used to skate didn't extend further than stealing my brother's speed skates and lacing them on, so the learning curve in skate maintenance starts here.








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Old August 29th, 2016, 03:20 PM   #2
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Let me start off by saying they are new to me. Hopefully someone has seen these and chime in.. Interesting though. Now help me out. Where are you geographically??

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I started skating again a couple of months ago after 25years and I picked up some skates from a thrift shop. They originally had small split wood wheels on them so they are in fantastic condition considering they must have been stored unused for decades. But the bushings are probably past their use by date.

I'd say..

Problem is that I have no clue what they are to find parts and have had no luck finding anything about them with Google searches. The local rink owner couldn't identify them despite his 40 years of experience. He told me they were in the "Snyder family" of skates and he didn't have the parts to service them.
They are stamped with SMA and MARATHON.

I think he guessed wrong... However cushions are usually not a problem. I have managed to sort cushions for 1940s vintage sk8s that were not what one would consider normal size and shape.

Are you able to identify them and let me know what parts they may need to keep them going (also if that is worth doing IYO) and where I might get them?

I have a shop full of oddball sk8 stuff, but without having those in my hands I cannot say much about them. Are they worth saving?? That kind of cool stuff is always worth saving, even if it is just for a quiet roll around the rink.

My skills and knowledge as a teenager when I used to skate didn't extend further than stealing my brother's speed skates and lacing them on, so the learning curve in skate maintenance starts here.
I'll do what I can to help... I will admit I have an affliction for odd ball sk8s..
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Old August 30th, 2016, 06:53 AM   #3
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Ok, so that is unexpected but it is so typically me to end up with something unusual. At the time I bought them I was just happy that they fit me, the wheels spun and that they were cheap, so I could save some money on hire. When I got them home and really had a good look at them was when I realised that they weren't the '80s skates I'd originally assumed them to be. I hadn't even noticed that the wheels were wood since I'd never seen them before. But since I used to be an antiques dealer, the idea of having skates with a bit of history to them really appeals to me. With the condition the skates are in it is obvious that someone loved them, probably someone who was really serious about going fast because even with the ancient cushions they are great to skate on. So it is kind of cool that they are getting another life- even though I am nowhere near as fast as I used to be...yet!

I am from Australia. I there someone that I might be able to take them to in Brisbane (or SE Queensland) that may be able to service them? Or should I disassemble them to get the measurements of the cushions and post photos?

Also there what looks to be part of a name on the sole of the boot GEO- for George, Geoff. I don't know, it is obscured by the plate. But maybe they are custom boots? Maybe someone knows of an Australian skater, George or Geoffrey from '60s, '70s that had weird skates with black plates? 'Cause any info would be awesome.
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Well there are several knowledgeable forum members down in your general part of the world. I will go kick one or 2 of them and see if anyone can help ya. I wish you luck.

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Old August 30th, 2016, 08:37 PM   #5
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Hi Fred,
I have even logged into Skatelog but I still can not see any pictures here.
Might be easier to just email the pictures to me.
Very weird how I can not see these pictures.

Speak soon,
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Thumbs up OK AmandaJane

Your sk8 mystery is gone to the UK and back down your way. Hopefully we will get some info and solve the riddle..
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Old August 31st, 2016, 02:04 PM   #8
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That's great. Thanks. I appreciate the help.
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Their was a few backyard skate makers down here.
Sga sure grip australia.made the most.
Also in Melbourne you had a rink owner making the champion plates and wheels.(not real good)
And in nsw you had the arena star.
Speedmates /flyer5.
Most where the riveted style .
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Their was a few backyard skate makers down here.
Sga sure grip australia.made the most.
Also in Melbourne you had a rink owner making the champion plates and wheels.(not real good)
And in nsw you had the arena star.
Speedmates /flyer5.
Most where the riveted style .
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Thanks for the info. I did a bit of a google search on these and they don't seem quite right. I also think that the removable toe stop is too elegant a design to be from a backyardigan, not that I've attempted to remove it to know whether it is part of the skate design or a later added accessory. So really who knows, could be, they remain a mystery. If you think of anything else let me know. I am certainly increasing my skating knowledge through all this!
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I didnt mean it like that .Back yard.
A few rinks in australia filled a need for plates and wheels.They generally brought in trucks and hangers in bulk and made the base plates.
Think old wallabies
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I didnt mean it like that .Back yard.
A few rinks in australia filled a need for plates and wheels.They generally brought in trucks and hangers in bulk and made the base plates.
Think old wallabies
Sorry, me neither. I have great respect for what comes out of " the shed" or made by small manufacturers. The skates I found for my husband fit that description and they are nice skates with good leather boots. I just don't think these fit that category. They are just a bit more...I don't know...tweaked? And that toe stop has some engineering to it. I've taken a photo of what is left of the logo on the boots and also the SMA mark on the trucks. Maybe it will help unravel this mystery so I know which direction to go for parts.


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Fairly sure I have a couple of SMA trucks here. I would love to have a look at the skates and could probably make some cushions to fit (they would be urethane rather than rubber but gives you options )
I am in Ipswich.
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I am in Ipswich.
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This gentleman is quite the sk8 wizard. If he cannot help your sk8s, they may be beyond help.
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Thanks everyone for all your efforts!That couldn't be more perfect! I get down to Ipswich fairly often. I've got your number HeBeGB, I'll give you the heads up when I'll be down there next. Really happy, Thanks

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Fill us in on how it goes.
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Skates checked, refurbished, made new cushions (Aussie Scott 'thane) and made a pivot cup (Delrin), regrooved the wheels to remove some serious coning. All back up and running again.

Not a setup I have seen before. Reverse tensioning setup as per Artistic skates, clip on pivot cups, metric 7mm axles in trucks that are a shape I haven't seen before.

Nice setup, with smooth movement.

Doc Sez... Where are the pix??

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