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Quad Vert All kinds of aggressive skating on quad roller skates including quad vertical roller skating, quad bowl skating, quad skatepark tricks, and street skating tricks in quad skates.

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Old April 5th, 2009, 11:41 PM   #1
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Hi everyone !! This is my first post. Here's what i did to a pair of Pacer skates. Removed axles and did the "threaded bolt thing". Aluminum "homemade" grind plates. The orange strips are Bones Thin Ribs cut down to size. I haven't tried them out yet. I literally just finished them.

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Old April 6th, 2009, 02:11 PM   #2
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Those are great pictures of your skates, drod5150. Very interesting design on those plates, and I've always loved low profile boots like those.

However, by putting in longer axles with nuts to extend the hanger, don't you have a problem with bent axles from the lack of axle support? I have bent so many axles over the years, that I just cannot see those trucks holding up to extreme punishment.
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Old April 7th, 2009, 12:23 AM   #3
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Thanks Biff !! I have not tried them yet. I'm hoping someone here has done the threaded bolt thing and can tell me how it worked for them. The plates are aluminum strap from Home Depot (1 1/2" wide- 1/8" thick) with Bones Thin Ribs bolted to them. If the axles bend, i'll just use more threaded rod since it's so cheap. I already have the next set of "axles" ready to go. They might last a few sessions. I have'nt vert skated in 15+ yrs and if i can make it 6 months without getting hurt, i'll get myself a real set of Vert Quads. These clock in at about 3.8 lbs each skate. I'm thinking those Route 65's might be too "sticky" for a concrete bowl.


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Old April 7th, 2009, 06:26 AM   #4
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I'm thinking those Route 65's might be too "sticky" for a concrete bowl.
They will be, unless they make a hard version. Wheel squish will cause reduced speed and make pumping harder. It might be better to use on concrete ramps.
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Old April 7th, 2009, 10:02 AM   #5
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drod5150,

Nice work to transform these skates!
It looks like you drilled your trucks to accept a threaded rod bigger than 8mm? What size rod did you use? You can get hardened threaded rod too, for not that much more money.
If the three nuts between trucks and wheels are TIGHT, they will strengthen the rod, BUT ONE BIG WARNING that could cause bearings to seize up. If you do not use SPACERS between the bearings, you may need to keep the axle nut very loose to avoid the rod bending at the wheel and pinching the bearings together. Also, I would expect your wheel nuts to come loose, or shift from optimum, if you do not add a 2nd "JAM NUT" to lock them in their proper positions.

The left front truck end of the right foot looks like the threaded rod comes out of the truck off center a little. Hope this doesn't mess up the tracking with the rear axle.

Eager to hear how well they work for you. Be sure to update after you skate them.

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Old April 7th, 2009, 01:37 PM   #6
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drod5150,

Nice work to transform these skates!
It looks like you drilled your trucks to accept a threaded rod bigger than 8mm? What size rod did you use? You can get hardened threaded rod too, for not that much more money.
If the three nuts between trucks and wheels are TIGHT, they will strengthen the rod, BUT ONE BIG WARNING that could cause bearings to seize up. If you do not use SPACERS between the bearings, you may need to keep the axle nut very loose to avoid the rod bending at the wheel and pinching the bearings together. Also, I would expect your wheel nuts to come loose, or shift from optimum, if you do not add a 2nd "JAM NUT" to lock them in their proper positions.

The left front truck end of the right foot looks like the threaded rod comes out of the truck off center a little. Hope this doesn't mess up the tracking with the rear axle.

Eager to hear how well they work for you. Be sure to update after you skate them.

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Thanks Armadillo !! That is 5/16" threaded rod. The wheel nuts are locked in with blue thread-lock so hopefully they won't move. Yea the left front wheel sits just a hair higher. That was the first hole i drilled, plus i was using an old drill bit and it threw me off. But when i have them on all the wheels are touching the ground. Although, they were slightly off even before i did anything to them (cheap skates 40.00 on ebay).. I do have spacers between the bearings but i think the thread on the rod will still eventually grind up the inside of the bearing sleeve. The 5/16" threaded rod is a hair smaller than the bearing opening. UNthreaded 5/16" rod is perfect but then you have to make your own thread and all that. I didn't want to spend more on materials and tools than on the actual skates. I can't wait to try them.


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Old April 7th, 2009, 01:42 PM   #7
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They will be, unless they make a hard version. Wheel squish will cause reduced speed and make pumping harder. It might be better to use on concrete ramps.

I thought so !! What do you recommend for a new concrete park.
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I'm not sure what others said, in a hurry, great job first of all! But put skateboard wheels on, HARD. Go over 95a, probably for you more like 98-99a if its wood/concrete skatepark. Asphalt a little softer. 60mm about.

RS Dave did what you did I think with axels I think. I would cut a block out of skis and just mount skateboard trucks myself. Opens up more options. I am unsure of the strength of your trucks but good luck!

OR I would consider the sure grip wide trucks.
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I'm not sure what others said, in a hurry, great job first of all! But put skateboard wheels on, HARD. Go over 95a, probably for you more like 98-99a if its wood/concrete skatepark. Asphalt a little softer. 60mm about.

RS Dave did what you did I think with axels I think. I would cut a block out of skis and just mount skateboard trucks myself. Opens up more options. I am unsure of the strength of your trucks but good luck!

OR I would consider the sure grip wide trucks.

Thanks roller_dudette !! Eventually i'll get a pair of real vert skates or do ski plate/skateboard truck thing (if i don't get hurt first).
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After reading this and roller_dudette's post, i am definetly going to get 95a+ skateboard wheels.



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After reading this and roller_dudette's post, i am definetly going to get 95a+ skateboard wheels.

If you ever go somewhere really dusty and slippery, you might consider softer wheels. I went to the Atlanta, Georgia Woodward, and I really could have used softer wheels! I think they never sweep or mop up all the dust in that place!!!
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What size would work best on ramps and bowls ??


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I'd consider a 50mm to about a 60mm wheel at the largest. Consider the larger wheels only if that is what you are currently used to using.
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Looks like i'm gonna be trying "hardened steel" threaded bolt or rod. Tried the skates out the other day and the axles bent in a matter of minutes. If that doesn't work, i guess i'll start from scratch(skate trucks w/ski plates). They seemed to do o.k. otherwise. For those of you out there thinking about using threaded rod for axles, save yourself the hassle !! DO NOT USE REGULAR THREADED ROD !! I'll be posting how the "hardened steel" works.





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the axles bent in a matter of minutes.
I figured as much.
You really should get those skate plates that are already made for vert,
or build your own like I did with skateboard trucks.
Go to my thread to see the new pics of my grind plates.
I'm trying them out tonight!
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You're really getting into this poetry thing, aren't you Biff?
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You're really getting into this poetry thing, aren't you Biff?
You have me. I have no idea what you are talking about.
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I figured as much.
You really should get those skate plates that are already made for vert,
or build your own like I did with skateboard trucks.
Go to my thread to see the new pics of my grind plates.
I'm trying them out tonight!


A lot of your posts lately seem to be in a musical or poetic style (in this case the center tags make it look like a limerick.)
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A lot of your posts lately seem to be in a musical or poetic style (in this case the center tags make it look like a limerick.)
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