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Old April 10th, 2012, 11:36 PM   #21
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I sk8 on varathane. smiler to a old school rental wheel.lots of people on the east coast use them.NY,NJ,Del, etc... hope that helps.
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Old April 11th, 2012, 01:28 PM   #22
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... It's not about maniacs just sliding across the rink floor, the skating style involves alot of "shuffling" mixed with "jb style" smoothness done on the move. ...
Yeah, I struggled to find any good vids with more than a brief clip of someone on that style of skates ... I threw the sliders one in to make a point to Dave (though I don't think it sank in).

If you have any good clips I'd love to see them, the more style inspiration the better!
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Old April 11th, 2012, 11:48 PM   #23
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I linked a bunch in a previous thread, here's a couple:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgnTu...CD603D15278D03

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eatnS9m04UU
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Old April 12th, 2012, 12:23 AM   #24
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im on wood and pheno's, i like the wood better for the floors im on, and yes many dave, im east coast, american(born and raised), hell im even a white,38, middle class dad and i have blue croc italian dress shoes, on polished 1940's chicago's with loose ball maple wheels, NO grip, all slide, and its fun as hell!
but maybe its the cajun in me..... many dave you need to understand that this style of skate and skating is all about NOT having grip.
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Old April 12th, 2012, 08:57 AM   #25
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Hi Scrap,

OK I am not keeping up with fights/discussions I have started. Still going to be Off_the_Beat till maybe late April/early May. So if I don't reply sorry in advance. I know a cop_out yet can't help it.

YET Skating is Skating, at least as long as I have skated with different type skaters and different floor conditions across many places.

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Tell me about your floor or floors you skate on??
^Be specific as all get out..
^Have you skated elsewhere (upper NE) with the same equipment, Where
^You are normally on a SouthEast InDoor Floor when on Quads?
-^ Understand there are some good floors down in GA/NC/FL
-^ Yet yours might be untreated wood, Old Skool
^Do you have a vid of you skating so I can see if you are just lazy
-^Give a good picture of the floor as well. The sheen should be high

BTW, Remember I have skated on Older Floor Technology. And sometimes a particular floor isn't maintained up to current top Art Skating conditions so milage will vary. AND skaters got to change their wheels.

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Old April 12th, 2012, 10:48 AM   #26
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Yes the floor has a lot to do with,down south where it is a little warmer floors tend to be a little sticker then hear up north just ask my knees about that. i put fo-macs on to sk8 down south in rinks such as Kendell park, Millennium SkateWorld to get the same slide i do up north or close to it.As far as fiber, clay or wood wheels they are pretty close to varathane (All American Dreams.etc...) wheel on a non roll-on floor or un-maintained such as skate 22 or voes.Slider wheel such as fo-macs or old wood,etc... wheels limit edging,pushing while skating not that it can't be done but yes limited you. With shoes your even more limited no support in them .Remember these wheels where made to go with the powder that was put on the floors back then not roll-on floors.The last time i had slider wheels on was at skate 22, hella fun but limited my moves and broke my ass and the last time i had woods on i split 2 of them in 1/2.For me personalty when i use slider wheels loosen up my 45 degree action even more to keep all 8 wheels.

I think going from a clay wheel to wood wheel you won't find that much of a difference. you might want shoot for a fiber wheel and even then it won't be that much of a difference. All 3 are similar in slide.I will put my odds on the floor having 30+ coats of roll-on it.In that case you might wanta try steel wheels.
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Old April 12th, 2012, 05:00 PM   #28
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I'm not sure what your experience is with fiberglass wheels (actually a resin) and woods vs clays and vanathane, but they aren't even CLOSE is riding characteristics.

Floor type and coating definitely plays a role, when I skate fibers on a cement floor with fresh roll-on it's a neat experience as suddenly I have "grip" heh.

All the wheels listed most definitely perform VERY differently, and each has specific performance characteristics on different surfaces. For example:

Woods - generally have more grip than fibers on wood (coated or non) floors, they can still slide but they're "break loose" point is harder to reach. However they have the uncanny habit of "unpredictably breaking loose" this is influenced by the floor conditions alot. They roll nice on wood, but tend to be chattery and chirpy on cement surfaces.

I'd be happy to go into details of the other wheel compounds for anyone interested rofl.

As far as the shoes, they really "perform" just as well as any low cut leather skate boot for the applications they are used for. Most (cant say all) builders use a quality all leather shoe (and sole alot of times) like Stacy Adams. There is plenty of support, remember you don't put a lot of "lateral" strain on you shoe skating these set-ups because you are always focused on sitting your weight on the center of the plate, unless you want to "break loose" to slide, spin etc. In which case you slide...again not "gripping' and putting G-forces against the shoe side-wall.


Dave - lawlz and saw dust covered floors, watch the vids I posted...just regular rinks brah, skating, just skating.
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...I'd be happy to go into details of the other wheel compounds for anyone interested rofl. ...
Yes please - the more you know the further you go, etc
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Old April 12th, 2012, 11:03 PM   #30
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I'm not sure what your experience is with fiberglass wheels (actually a resin) and woods vs clays and vanathane, but they aren't even CLOSE is riding characteristics.

Floor type and coating definitely plays a role, when I skate fibers on a cement floor with fresh roll-on it's a neat experience as suddenly I have "grip" heh.

All the wheels listed most definitely perform VERY differently, and each has specific performance characteristics on different surfaces. For example:

Woods - generally have more grip than fibers on wood (coated or non) floors, they can still slide but they're "break loose" point is harder to reach. However they have the uncanny habit of "unpredictably breaking loose" this is influenced by the floor conditions alot. They roll nice on wood, but tend to be chattery and chirpy on cement surfaces.

I'd be happy to go into details of the other wheel compounds for anyone interested rofl.

As far as the shoes, they really "perform" just as well as any low cut leather skate boot for the applications they are used for. Most (cant say all) builders use a quality all leather shoe (and sole alot of times) like Stacy Adams. There is plenty of support, remember you don't put a lot of "lateral" strain on you shoe skating these set-ups because you are always focused on sitting your weight on the center of the plate, unless you want to "break loose" to slide, spin etc. In which case you slide...again not "gripping' and putting G-forces against the shoe side-wall.


Dave - lawlz and saw dust covered floors, watch the vids I posted...just regular rinks brah, skating, just skating.
fiberglass, woods and clays all slide on any floor. Vanathane also slide like clays on a un-maintained hard wood floor.i have tested this myself.I do have fiberglass,woods,clays, Vanathane wheels and sk8 on them all. i also do sk8 every where. I do have that same exact sk8.As far as my experience is with wheels i have skate on just about every thing.I'm not sure what your experience boots are as far as the shoes there is very little support compared to an art boot and there not close to a low cut race boot.And yes that is the only way you can skate in that set-up and you limited on them.

Floor type plays a roles with any wheels.Soft wood floor you drag more and it is harder to slide,hard wood you roll more easier to slide .Cement floors you can also slide with Vanathane wheels.

Now for the details My grandfather invented the first floating floor and best floor in the country back in 1945.He also invented the painted figure cycle that you skate on.My father is the founder of The National Museum of Roller Skating.He's is also friend with owner of splitwoods wood wheels.He's also a beta tester for mpc race wheels not to shall i go on Lmao.
He asked a question i gave my option

"Going from clay to wood for shuffle skating"

"I think going from a clay wheel to wood wheel you won't find that much of a difference. you might want shoot for a fiber wheel and even then it won't be that much of a difference. All 3 are similar in slide "after all the topic is.
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Old April 13th, 2012, 10:52 AM   #31
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Heya,

I have been a friend of Sk8fanatics for a while now, I skate wood, fibers and clay.

If you are accustomed to sliders, I think fibers are your best bet, they have more slide than clay or wood, but have much more consistent "break loose" characteristics than wood.

I like to incorpoate alot of "jb style" smooths foot work in my skating, but I also like to shuffle and speed and get that from the fibers. Plus they translate alot better to various floor surfaces. Woods on cement floors are chattery and terrible, fibers roll extremely smooth on wood or cement floors.
Funny i said the same exact thing you said but yet you bash my experience in wheels.

"If you are accustomed to sliders, I think fibers are your best bet, they have more slide than clay or wood, but have much more consistent "break loose" characteristics than wood."

"I think going from a clay wheel to wood wheel you won't find that much of a difference. you might want shoot for a fiber wheel and even then it won't be that much of a difference. All 3 are similar in slide.I will put my odds on the floor having 30+ coats of roll-on it.In that case you might wanta try steel wheels."
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Vanilla,

I've never seen a setup like the ones in the videos (and your avatar, I think). What are those wheels made of? I can't tell if they're all metal (aluminum?) or if they have a thin coating of something grippy. Enlighten me please.

On a side note, a 70-year-old (ish) former art skater gave me a set of what may be phenolic wheels. If I get some time I'd like to try them, but I'm worried I'll damage them if I skate on the wrong surface. Should I skate them on polished cement (my garage) or my wood-floored rink with Roll-on?

On another side note, I really like the kind of skating I saw in your video links. What would I call that? JB? Old school? I liked the easy-going feel.

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