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#181 | |
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Edit: I have decided to return the Orangatang wheels and grab a set of 70mm 78a Landyachtz Mini Zombie Hawgs. I don't mind the additional width.
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#182 | |
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I will check the Advantage plate I have to confirm fit. It is worth asking here on compatibility concerns before pulling trigger on purchases, as many of have already gone down same tunnels, often having to also retreat. OK → I checked and the Mini Z-Hawgs should fit with 1-2mm clearance from the hitting the truck's cushion platform without any cutting. -Armadillo
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#183 | |
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Edit: Or, I can add a 1mm spacer before mounting the wheels. I have them in there for the Flyers anyway.
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#184 | |
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This is another good reason to get the Downhill Bomber bearings, since their free spacers would likely match the bearing spacing of Mini Z-Hawgs' hub dimension, except for the fact that the Roll Line axles are likely going to be a 7mm mismatch to the Rush hybrid bearing's ID. -Armadillo
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#185 | |
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Inlines are a different story. I use spacers in all of my inline wheels, because you have to tighten the axles all the way down.
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#186 | |
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Depending on the amount of axle length available, this can be a problem, but if spacers are in place and axle nuts are torqued hard against the bearing H/W "stack," then the potential insufficient grip of the nylon is no longer a concern. Having trucks with extra length available on their axles is always a good thing when switching over to longboard wheels. -Armadillo
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#187 |
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Looks like my skates will be swapping duties for a little while. The Mini Zombie Hawgs did not fit on the more narrow Roll-Line trucks, even with a 1mm spacer on the inside of the wheel. Most likely, the retaining nut would have had only a thread or two to grab onto anyway when using the spacing washer.
So, my nice clean, new Bont/Snyder setup will be pulling outdoors. I did end up using spacers in the wheels, since the axles were a bit short for the longboard wheels and the nuts were required to be flipped over (a MAJOR pain to get them on in this direction) and tightened down. I will be carrying a 7/16" nut driver with me, since I do not think any of the aluminum threads in the nylock nuts contact the axle threads. I may be wrong, since they did tighten down quite a bit. Since the plates were mounted with t-nuts, there won't be any clearance issues with the 70mm OD wheels. ![]()
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#188 |
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Well, my love for outdoor quad skating may die quickly. I tried the new wheels on the new skates and wasn't very impressed. Mostly because I didn't trust that the nuts weren't going to back out and lose a wheel.
Also, since I didn't have any 7mm bearing spacers long enough to fit the larger bearing spacing of the longboard wheels, I used self-centering inline spacers, which were long enough, but as soon as a nut did give a little, the spacers rattled around. It sounded like I have Mexican jumping beans in my wheels. So, two questions before I give up on longboard wheels altogether: 1) Does anyone make a 7mm spacer that will fit properly inside longboard wheels without having to mill them? 2) Are there any alternatives to the nylock nuts for the 9/32-32 Snyder axles? (maybe old-school loose-ball lock nuts?)
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#189 |
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If the bearing spacer is wide enough to crank the axle nut tight, then a nylon insert lock nut is not required. You could just use a thin 9/32-32 "speed nut" and put a drop of loctite blue on it. Should stay tight if it is well torqued and the Loctite hardens.
Proper 0.4" width sized spacers are more readily available for 8mm axle size than 7mm axle size, which was why I suggested getting a set of 8mm 608 bearings to go with the Mini Z-Hawgs, but then you would need to put 7mm X 8mm axle sleeve on the Snyder 7mm axles and they usually suck for having a poor fit to both 7mm axle OD and to the 7mm bearing IDs. -Armadillo
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#190 | |
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Live and learn.
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#191 |
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I used different kinds of longboard wheels over the years without spacers on Rolline-Axles and had never missed them.
The original nuts fit fine without a spacer disc, only I use a tiny bit of Loctite 243 from time to time. BUT: You have to cut the wheels on the inside, which is no big deal and you dont have to deal with any of the difficulties. Or you buy Zombie Hawgs 76mm they fit out of the box. Johannes |
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#192 | |
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I'm happy w/ the Radar Flyers, so I'm going to stick with them.
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#193 | |
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If you have proper sized and fitted bearing spacers inside the wheels, the nylon grip of a normal axle nut is not required, since the higher torque tightening alone can keep the nut in place with the higher friction developed from greater compression of the stack of items on the axle being crushed by the nut. In fact, when the amount of nut to axle thread engagement is minimum, you DON'T want to have the nylon side of nut going on first, as it cannot be properly torqued to a high enough level, without stripping the nylon, to safely secure the wheels on the axles. Put the metal side of nut on 1st, torque them down TIGHT and leave the nylon side sticking out. Friction from high torque will hold them on, and you can also add the drop of Loctite, for peace of mind, if you like. I suggest at least two full turns of metal to metal engagement is needed for applying a safely high enough level of torque, without stripping the metal thread. As the amount of thread engagement drops, the peak nut torque must be reduced accordingly, and adding the Loctite becomes a greater concern. If tightly torquing the wheels against the trucks triggers any of their bearing balls to start being pinched, and those wheels to stop spinning freely, then they will need more width for their bearing spacers to be added with thin, shim washers. Hopefully, that doesn't happen, because it is just another tedious task to be added to an overall tedious project. -Armadillo
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#194 | |
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Roller skate bearing spacing is 8mm, while longboard bearing spacing is 10mm (as you're aware of). I do not have access to a machinist, so I'm S.O.L. I used 8mm self-centering inline wheel spacers, wince they are also 10mm (why isn't there a standard across the board here?). I then turned the nylock nuts around. Unfortunately, a few backed out and all I heard from those wheels was the rattling of the bearing spacers as they became loose. So, I lost faith in the setup. I'm not a fan of loctite. It gums up threads. I'm also not a fan of 8mm-7mm reducers for the reasons you stated. I also do not have extra 8mm bearings. Although, I have extra sets, they are all allocated to inline wheels for different purposes (indoor practice set [1x12], indoor meet sets [2x12], outdoor sets [2x12]) and I rarely remove them, unless I get new wheels or do bearing maintenance.
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#195 | |
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This rolled sleeve only needs to keep the spacer roughly centered, not perfect, and the 8mm spacer end will still overlap with the 7mm inner races enough to lock the wheels on the axle without a nylon nut. -Armadillo
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#196 | |
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#197 |
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Anyone ever try Cult Classic wheels? They come in 70x46 (30mm contact patch) and 66x45 (34mm contact patch), both are 80a and backset.
I'm thinking they'd stick out the side pretty far. It's odd that the smaller diameter wheels have the larger contact patch.
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I like these. 65 x 30, 78A
Wear good and feel fast on rough to normal outdoor conditions. Fairly inexpensive. Plastic core. https://www.instagram.com/p/BTku3x1DXR4/ Sorry I only have link for a pic.
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#199 |
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OK, has anyone ever tried to mill down the front portion of the hub of a longboard wheel to make the spacing between the bearings less so that they fit better on 7mm quad axles and be able to use the nylock nuts the way they should be? Is it even possible to do it so that the bearings sit properly?
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