Do Derby Girls Dress for Success or Dress to Look Hot?

[brikkee]

Originally Posted by chuckboucher

So, Rose & Ricky, what did you think of the derby?

humm i thought it was ok it was nice to see people enjoying it.i also had a hard time with the wife dealing with the trampness more than anything witch was understandable and trying to tell her it's was nothing diff than you see at a night club. while she was more worried about what they where wearing and the girls talking to me. i was more into the skates they where wearing and the skating even know she didn't beleave me.But other than that i had fun can't say that for her

[chuckboucher]

Originally Posted by brikkee

humm i thought it was ok it was nice to see people enjoying it.i also had a hard time with the wife dealing with the trampness more than anything witch was understandable and trying to tell her it's was nothing diff than you see at a night club. while she was more worried about what they where wearing and the girls talking to me. i was more into the skates they where wearing and the skating even know she didn't beleave me.But other than that i had fun can't say that for her

I take it she's the jealous type?? Funny thing, my wife is one of the more conservative women I've met and she doesn't have any issues with how derby girls or the crowd dresses. It's part of the show and the lifestyle.

My wife is also completely trusting. She has to be, since she doesn't mind at all if I go to event after parties.

[PowerSnatch]

Originally Posted by chuckboucher

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[brikkee]

Originally Posted by chuckboucher

I take it she's the jealous type?? Funny thing, my wife is one of the more conservative women I've met and she doesn't have any issues with how derby girls or the crowd dresses. It's part of the show and the lifestyle.

My wife is also completely trusting. She has to be, since she doesn't mind at all if I go to event after parties.

I wouldn't say shes the jealous type my wife is preaty hot. but i also do see her point.They like to dress with that dirty look and some are not very atracting. a 300lbs girl wearing riped fishnet stocking with her stuff hanging out is kinda gross. She said she would skate if it wasn't for that dirty tramp look.They should have some kinda team uniforms like they did way back when. if you do go to there web page makes me wounder my self.i wouldn't say wearing something for attention has anything to do with there lifestyle.maybe for the show.
http://providencerollerderby.com/phpBB/index.php

[PowerSnatch]

Originally Posted by brikkee

They like to dress with that dirty look and some are not very atracting. a 300lbs girl wearing riped fishnet stocking with her stuff hanging out is kinda gross. She said she would skate if it wasn't for that dirty tramp look.

Brikkee,

If the girls aren't attractive, then why does she care if you look? Derby is about individualism, so there is plenty of room for girls who don't want to look like everyone else. There is no uniform that can't be made more modest if that is who you are. We have plenty of girls who don't wear short skirts or anything skimpy. We even have a christian missionary who is very modest in her dress.

In other words, if the girls you saw dress a certain way, it's a personal choice because that is what they like as individuals. It's not to try and entice anyone, it's because their clothes make them feel empowered and strong. If the clothes are keeping your wife from skating, she's got the wrong idea. The clothes are an individual choice.

For instance, if the uniform is a school-girl skirt and half shirt, those that want to be more modest could wear tights or leggings underneath, and another shirt. I don't know of ANY team that would force anyone to wear something they would feel uncomfortable in, especially if it's a modesty issue.

[chuckboucher]

Actually, most of the NERD girls were wearing button up shirts and sweaters, to give the impression of a nerd. Most also had regular shorts on.

If you're talking about the Texas Hell Marys, they were in shorter shirts and strappy tanks. As for the ripped stockings, try and slide on a concrete floor in nylons without doing any damage.

They all had extreme makeup on. I really didn't see "trampy" looking people. Hell, you see far worse going out to a club, where they wear next to nothing.

[PowerSnatch]

Those NERD costumes are SOO CUTE! I love the argyle an the harry potter glasses, especially.

Another point on choosing the outfits, the length of skirt and shirt has everything to do with comfort while skating. You can't skate comfortably in a skirt knee length or longer because it will interfere with crossing over, falls, etc.

As for the shirts, derby burns a LOT of calories and makes you sweat a LOT. So a tank top or sleeveless shirt is cooler and doesn't interfere with the elbow pads we have to wear.

Also, wearing fishnets is in part strategic. They give some coverage without making you as sweaty and hot as tights or pantyhose. They do get ripped, and I personally try to reuse the ripped ones until they are unusable rather than opening new ones each time. That can get expensive at $6 a pop, afterall.

[Kathie Fry]

the length of skirt and shirt has everything to do with comfort while skating. You can't skate comfortably in a skirt knee length or longer because it will interfere with crossing over, falls, etc..... Also, wearing fishnets is in part strategic. They give some coverage without making you as sweaty and hot as tights or pantyhose..

LOL... If comfort is the issue why wear a skirt at all and how come indoor speed teams aren't wearing fishnet hose? I love those all girl roller derby teams but lets not pretend the sexy outfits aren't part of the appeal and part of the fun.

- Kathie

[PowerSnatch]

Originally Posted by Kathie Fry

LOL... If comfort is the issue why wear a skirt at all and how come indoor speed teams aren't wearing fishnet hose? I love those all girl roller derby teams but lets not pretend the sexy outfits aren't part of the appeal and part of the fun.

- Kathie

wearing fishnets is in part strategic. The key words there are "in part."

If you are tying to look good anyway, you still have to pick and choose what works best for the athleticism of the game. The skirts are better than leggings or speed-type of spandex outfits because you want something that can take up a little more width room if you are a blocker.

For instance, a skirt or tutu, when the blocker is in proper derby skating stance, will usually be a bit wider than the girl's actual hips. This makes a visual obstacle to the person behind her and allows her to take up more room across the track, even if it's just an optical illusion. Points are scored by passing a player's hips, so making that harder is always good. Plus, having a visual obstacle give a phychological to the frontal blocker.

Now, this doesn't apply, of course, to any skin tight types of skirts. It's only the ones with some width to the them.

Certainly, the costumes are created to meet many needs:team identification and theme and personal individualism are obvious ones. But there is also strategy behind the choices made within the basic confines of the uniform.

Do I want to wear nothing on my legs? Probably not since I'm going to be dragging my skin across concrete about a zillion times. So if I'm covering them, what will give me enough coverage to slide a bit on the concrete when I fall, but not make me as hot and sticky as opaque tights or spandex....gotta go with the fishnet.

It allows you to get some protection on your skin, without sacraficing the ability for your sweat to evaporate.

I don't think speed skaters have to deal with hundreds of falls in a race, so they may not need anything covering their skin. I'm not a speed skater, but I would think that ANY fall would take you out of the race. And speed skating outfits, while designed for speed, don't account for the need to get in front and block people. You don't want to be as sleek as can be, since that will make it easier to get around you.

Don't get me wrong, I like to look good when I play, and style is important to most derby girls...but it's almost never style over substance.

[mvirtue]

Originally Posted by PowerSnatch

I don't think speed skaters have to deal with hundreds of falls in a race, so they may not need anything covering their skin. I'm not a speed skater, but I would think that ANY fall would take you out of the race. And speed skating outfits, while designed for speed, don't account for the need to get in front and block people. You don't want to be as sleek as can be, since that will make it easier to get around you.

No, we don't deal with hundreds. We normally skate on coated floor where if you fall you're going to get a burn irrespective of what you are wearing. Madeline has a quarter sized burn on her chin from a fall on Monday. On Tuesday I heard her trying to explain, at her dance class, as to how she got it.

Arms are more effective, as is changing your skating track, for blocking. Both are against the rules but they happen.

[PowerSnatch]

Arms and stance are very important in derby blocking. You can keep your arms wide (but not straight out or cocked) to give yourself more width to block.

Your stance is also vital...wide feet so you can cover most of the track without moving.
Here is a great example of this by an expert...Alma Bitches from Sin City Rollergirls.

She is blocking one of our best pivots (Shay Bay of Big Easy Rollergirls) and making it impossible for her to get past.

In derby, whoever is in front has the control.

[mvirtue]

And here is the speed version (he was called for it after doing it three times):



Entire sequence starts at (http://www.bremertonspeed.org/2007/2...large-638.html )

[PowerSnatch]

So if you frontal block in speed skating you get disqualified or something? I don't know the rules of speed skating. In derby...it's kind of the whole point!

[mvirtue]

Originally Posted by PowerSnatch

So if you frontal block in speed skating you get disqualified or something? I don't know the rules of speed skating. In derby...it's kind of the whole point!

Correct, you may not impeed the forward progress of another skater by means of your body or changing the track that you skate. It does not mean that you roll over and play dead. Now here in the NW, the sophomore women's races are really frightening and have been compared to RD.

[PowerSnatch]

Considering I have enough trouble not blocking while I drive or walk around (especially down the long hallway at my work and getting out of the elavator) I would get disqualified from every race!

It seems appropriate though, for speed skating that this should be the rule. It also seems like there are plenty of ways to walk a fine line and bend this rule. Interesting. Thanks for the pic!

[brikkee]

Originally Posted by PowerSnatch

Brikkee,

If the girls aren't attractive, then why does she care if you look? Derby is about individualism, so there is plenty of room for girls who don't want to look like everyone else. There is no uniform that can't be made more modest if that is who you are. We have plenty of girls who don't wear short skirts or anything skimpy. We even have a christian missionary who is very modest in her dress.

In other words, if the girls you saw dress a certain way, it's a personal choice because that is what they like as individuals. It's not to try and entice anyone, it's because their clothes make them feel empowered and strong. If the clothes are keeping your wife from skating, she's got the wrong idea. The clothes are an individual choice.

For instance, if the uniform is a school-girl skirt and half shirt, those that want to be more modest could wear tights or leggings underneath, and another shirt. I don't know of ANY team that would force anyone to wear something they would feel uncomfortable in, especially if it's a modesty issue.

If the girls aren't attractive, then why does she care if you look?

We have no choice they come to the rink like this.and yes the clothes keep my wife from doing RD and my wife is a good skater and i wouldn't like her to dress like a tramp as well.Woman cry about man looking at them like there a piece af meat the fact is they ask for it wearing tramp clothes.so the next time so guy rubs up on you and you have your stuff hanging out your only asking for it.i wouldn't call a 300Lb girl in fishnet stocking with her snach hanging out a modesty issue.needless to say a G rating.

[PowerSnatch]

Originally Posted by brikkee

If the girls aren't attractive, then why does she care if you look?

We have no choice they come to the rink like this.and yes the clothes keep my wife from doing RD and my wife is a good skater and i wouldn't like her to dress like a tramp as well.Woman cry about man looking at them like there a piece af meat the fact is they ask for it wearing tramp clothes.so the next time so guy rubs up on you and you have your stuff hanging out your only asking for it.i wouldn't call a 300Lb girl in fishnet stocking with her snach hanging out a modesty issue.needless to say a G rating.

Pretty sure there are no G-rated derby events. They are PG-13 at least.

My point is not that your wife should dress any way, but that she can dress how she likes.

BTW, I think the "she was asking to get raped because of her outfit" defense hasn't worked in quite a while. You might get yourself in a whole heap of trouble if you actually think that's true.

Besides, if any ignorant guy (or girl) thought they could touch me inappropriately simply because of my clothing, they would get body checked...and quick. They probably wouldn't try it again, once they peeled themselves off the floor! Everyone has their own comfort level about how much skin they show, it's a personal choice.

You also have a personal choice...no one forced you to stay. After the first 30 seconds where you saw what people were wearing, why didn't you just leave and get your money back?

[PowerSnatch]

Here Brikkee,

Would this make a good derby outfit? Burkas galore

[brikkee]

Originally Posted by PowerSnatch

Pretty sure there are no G-rated derby events. They are PG-13 at least.

My point is not that your wife should dress any way, but that she can dress how she likes.

BTW, I think the "she was asking to get raped because of her outfit" defense hasn't worked in quite a while. You might get yourself in a whole heap of trouble if you actually think that's true.

Besides, if any ignorant guy (or girl) thought they could touch me inappropriately simply because of my clothing, they would get body checked...and quick. They probably wouldn't try it again, once they peeled themselves off the floor! Everyone has their own comfort level about how much skin they show, it's a personal choice.

You also have a personal choice...no one forced you to stay. After the first 30 seconds where you saw what people were wearing, why didn't you just leave and get your money back?

well 1st of if some girl was to wear a shirt with her boobs hanging out 9/10 man look at them some even say stuff and if girl dont like it they need to put better shirt or deal with cause she asking for it.as far as the tickets and getting my money back i was there 4 the sport of roller skating and this was my first time and im sure it will be the last time.and the ticket said kids welcomed.

[brikkee]

Originally Posted by PowerSnatch

Here Brikkee,

Would this make a good derby outfit? Burkas galore

no they trip on that