L-Arginine and Nitric Oxide

Pepper Montana · September 8th, 2006, 06:10 PM

Has anyone tried using L-Arginine instead of Nitric Oxide as a supplement? It is a 1/3 of the cost of the Nitric at GNC. From my reading on Wiki and other sources it seems like it might work just as well.

Kathie Fry · September 8th, 2006, 06:11 PM

What are L-Arginin and Nitric Oxide suppose to do?

- Kathie

Pepper Montana · September 8th, 2006, 07:12 PM

Code Monkey turned me on to the Nitric Oxide. It is supposed to dilate blood vessels. If you can move more blood, more efficiently, your muscles are more effective. The L-Arginine? I'm not so clear on.

cbeck · September 8th, 2006, 09:57 PM

A little more info on L-Arginine can be read here: click

That link was just from a google search, but from a quick scan, seems to agree with what my biology text has to say about it. I remember reading about L-arginine in an article that was discussing the importance of adding soy protien (due to the L-arg content) to your protien supplements... (for body building)

cbeck · September 8th, 2006, 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Morgan

Has anyone tried using L-Arginine instead of Nitric Oxide as a supplement? It is a 1/3 of the cost of the Nitric at GNC. From my reading on Wiki and other sources it seems like it might work just as well.

Oh, i missread your initial question. (I need to stop quick scanning words, just a bad habbit from reading boring journal articles) I thought you were suggesting a supplement that contained both l-arg and nitric oxide. So in response to your question... I get the impression that the two, while both bennificial, have somewhat different primary effects...

Kathie Fry · September 8th, 2006, 10:09 PM

Here are some Wikipedia articles on the two substances:
- Argenine
- Nitric Oxide

Kathie

cbeck · September 8th, 2006, 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiki article

Arginine is the immediate precursor of NO,

Hey, looks like it might be a good idea! (hence the point of the original question, i pressume

)

Pepper Montana · September 8th, 2006, 11:56 PM

Chris,
Thanks for the link. I pulled this quote:"There is conflicting but mostly negative evidence related to claims that it can improve exercise performance and promote lean muscle mass."

Most of the vocabulary went over my head. I read it as meaning that perhaps the L-Arginine isn't the magic bullet I was hoping for!

Kathie,
I really don't understand a great deal of the information on the Wiki sites about the chemicals. It goes in, but it doesn't stick!

Thanks!

gatorback · September 9th, 2006, 01:55 AM

Suplements are ususally a waste of money and not healty. They generaly don't help improve fitness or overall health. Simply eat good diet with plenty of veggies.

Pepper Montana · September 9th, 2006, 03:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gatorback

Suplements are ususally a waste of money and not healty. They generaly don't help improve fitness or overall health. Simply eat good diet with plenty of veggies.

Agreeance on the veggies. Sweet potatoes are miracles of nutrition. I am skeptical about cauliflower! It doesn't look right.

sk8scott · September 9th, 2006, 03:58 AM

Nitric oxide in a pill? How bizarre! Are you sure that the stuff actually dilates any vessels beyond the gut when you take it that way?

----Scott

online inline · September 9th, 2006, 05:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gatorback

Suplements are ususally a waste of money and not healty. They generaly don't help improve fitness or overall health. Simply eat good diet with plenty of veggies.

I'll second that. Flax seed is good for you too- naturally ocurring, of course.

Balanced diet, lots of fruits and vegies, and load up on the antioxidants, which is where there fruits vegies nuts come in.

sk8scott · September 9th, 2006, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by online inline

I'll second that. Flax seed is good for you too- naturally ocurring, of course.

Balanced diet, lots of fruits and vegies, and load up on the antioxidants, which is where there fruits vegies nuts come in.

Antioxidants... That's where the irony comes in. Nitric oxide is a free radical!

----Scott

cbeck · September 10th, 2006, 03:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sk8scott

Antioxidants... That's where the irony comes in. Nitric oxide is a free radical!

----Scott

I believe it posseses both oxidant and anti oxidant functions, biologically. I would imagine its anti oxidant properties involve quenching reactions by combining with other harmful free radicals in or around a cell... but I've never looked into that before.

Code Monkey · September 11th, 2006, 03:35 PM

The pill is not Nitric Oxide, it is a mixture of the amino acids that stimulate the bodies natural production of Nitric Oxide. If you eat consistently a very balanced diet rich in these amino acids, such as eating lots of fish, especially tuna then a very similar effect will happen. This pill is not a magic bullet. There are two main reasons for taking this supplement or doing it via diet. One is the vasodialation effect of Nitric Oxide and the other is the repairing and regeneration of the endothelia tissue of your blood vessels. When you do start to take it or increase your intake of the specific amino acids and fatty acids you will most likely see that when you workout hard your heart rate will be lower as well as your blood pressure. This will enable you to push yourself harder and still stay in your desired heart rate training zone. In endurance skating your heart muscle will not have to work as hard to supply blood and nutrients to your muscles and brain and thereby allowing you to go longer. Now that is a good reason in itself but a really good reason for taking this supplement or modifying your diet is that long term (as in 2 or more years) you will be giving your body the proper nutrients to naturally repair all your bloodvessels. Along with a low fat balanced diet and strenuous exercise done in a very consistent manner throughout your life your possibility of having cardiovascular disease, heart attack, stroke and mental degradation (Alzheimers 's disease) are drastically reduced or eliminated.

Jon B. · September 11th, 2006, 05:16 PM

I was wondering when you were going to show up. JB

mvirtue · September 11th, 2006, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon B.

I was wondering when you were going to show up. JB

We should have taken bets...

Pepper Montana · September 11th, 2006, 07:11 PM

I appreciate the explanation, Code Monkey. I have to say that the info that I have read on Wiki and other sites might have been written in Sumerian for all the good it did me. You do a good job of translating

Thank you.

What do you think of the L-arginine instead of the nitric oxide?

Code Monkey · September 11th, 2006, 08:27 PM

The Nitric Oxide supplements that you see are not actually nitric oxide but are the essential amino acids that are used by your body to naturally produce nitric oxide. L-Arginine and L-Citruline as well as L-Glutamine are the amino acids responsible. I take NOExplode because it has all the amino acids and the high concentration to be effective. Nitrix is also one that contains the proper ingredients and concentrations. Research shows that taking one without the others does not help. However don't leave out eating fruits and veggies. Lots of fruit and veggies.

Jon B. · September 11th, 2006, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Morgan

...the info that I have read on Wiki and other sites might have been written in Sumerian for all the good it did me.

There is a good possibility that Code had something to do with that! JB

September 8th, 2006, 06:10 PM	#1
Pepper Montana Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 988	L-Arginine and Nitric Oxide Has anyone tried using L-Arginine instead of Nitric Oxide as a supplement? It is a 1/3 of the cost of the Nitric at GNC. From my reading on Wiki and other sources it seems like it might work just as well. Last edited by Kathie Fry; September 8th, 2006 at 07:26 PM.

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cbeck Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 84	A little more info on L-Arginine can be read here: click That link was just from a google search, but from a quick scan, seems to agree with what my biology text has to say about it. I remember reading about L-arginine in an article that was discussing the importance of adding soy protien (due to the L-arg content) to your protien supplements... (for body building) __________________ Cheers! ~Chris Last edited by cbeck; September 8th, 2006 at 09:59 PM. Reason: updated for clarity

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Kathie Fry Forum Host Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Venice Beach, California USA Posts: 1,855	What are L-Arginin and Nitric Oxide suppose to do? - Kathie

September 8th, 2006, 07:12 PM	#3
Pepper Montana Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 988	Code Monkey turned me on to the Nitric Oxide. It is supposed to dilate blood vessels. If you can move more blood, more efficiently, your muscles are more effective. The L-Arginine? I'm not so clear on.

September 8th, 2006, 10:09 PM	#6
Kathie Fry Forum Host Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Venice Beach, California USA Posts: 1,855	Here are some Wikipedia articles on the two substances: - Argenine - Nitric Oxide Kathie

September 8th, 2006, 11:56 PM	#8
Pepper Montana Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 988	Chris, Thanks for the link. I pulled this quote:"There is conflicting but mostly negative evidence related to claims that it can improve exercise performance and promote lean muscle mass." Most of the vocabulary went over my head. I read it as meaning that perhaps the L-Arginine isn't the magic bullet I was hoping for! Kathie, I really don't understand a great deal of the information on the Wiki sites about the chemicals. It goes in, but it doesn't stick! Thanks!

September 9th, 2006, 03:58 AM	#11
sk8scott Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Burlington, Vermont Posts: 963	Nitric oxide in a pill? How bizarre! Are you sure that the stuff actually dilates any vessels beyond the gut when you take it that way? ----Scott

September 11th, 2006, 03:35 PM	#15
Code Monkey Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 905	The pill is not Nitric Oxide, it is a mixture of the amino acids that stimulate the bodies natural production of Nitric Oxide. If you eat consistently a very balanced diet rich in these amino acids, such as eating lots of fish, especially tuna then a very similar effect will happen. This pill is not a magic bullet. There are two main reasons for taking this supplement or doing it via diet. One is the vasodialation effect of Nitric Oxide and the other is the repairing and regeneration of the endothelia tissue of your blood vessels. When you do start to take it or increase your intake of the specific amino acids and fatty acids you will most likely see that when you workout hard your heart rate will be lower as well as your blood pressure. This will enable you to push yourself harder and still stay in your desired heart rate training zone. In endurance skating your heart muscle will not have to work as hard to supply blood and nutrients to your muscles and brain and thereby allowing you to go longer. Now that is a good reason in itself but a really good reason for taking this supplement or modifying your diet is that long term (as in 2 or more years) you will be giving your body the proper nutrients to naturally repair all your bloodvessels. Along with a low fat balanced diet and strenuous exercise done in a very consistent manner throughout your life your possibility of having cardiovascular disease, heart attack, stroke and mental degradation (Alzheimers 's disease) are drastically reduced or eliminated.

September 11th, 2006, 05:16 PM	#16
Jon B. Adamant Jello Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Inverness, FL Posts: 697	I was wondering when you were going to show up. JB

September 11th, 2006, 07:11 PM	#18
Pepper Montana Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 988	I appreciate the explanation, Code Monkey. I have to say that the info that I have read on Wiki and other sites might have been written in Sumerian for all the good it did me. You do a good job of translating Thank you. What do you think of the L-arginine instead of the nitric oxide?

September 11th, 2006, 08:27 PM	#19
Code Monkey Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 905	The Nitric Oxide supplements that you see are not actually nitric oxide but are the essential amino acids that are used by your body to naturally produce nitric oxide. L-Arginine and L-Citruline as well as L-Glutamine are the amino acids responsible. I take NOExplode because it has all the amino acids and the high concentration to be effective. Nitrix is also one that contains the proper ingredients and concentrations. Research shows that taking one without the others does not help. However don't leave out eating fruits and veggies. Lots of fruit and veggies.