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Old October 16th, 2011, 10:09 PM   #1
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Old October 16th, 2011, 10:11 PM   #2
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Saw this setup at nationals. It is interesting. It will be very hard to make it strong enough for indoor competition.
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Old October 16th, 2011, 10:38 PM   #3
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An engineering solution in search of a problem?
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Old October 16th, 2011, 11:07 PM   #4
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I fail to see why this concept makes any improvement on the current products out there.

I know concepts are to push the boundaries of what is possible, but they are usually based around a premise to engineer useable products.
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Old October 16th, 2011, 11:58 PM   #5
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I fail to see why this concept makes any improvement on the current products out there.

I know concepts are to push the boundaries of what is possible, but they are usually based around a premise to engineer useable products.
The idea, as explained to me at nationals, is to apply force where it belongs.... in the middle of the "blade". It is also to allow for natural bending of the frame that isn't restricted by having two mounting points.

I don't know that I believe any of it, but that was the explanation that I received.
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Old October 17th, 2011, 12:43 AM   #6
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ok, I know I am relatively new to this inline stuff - and I am certainly no engineer - but I have had a front mounting bolt fail while I was skating and perhaps I did not crash because the one in back was nice & secure??? - what, pray tell, would happen on this??

guess the video of the test pilot will be fun to watch, though, eh? who have they talked into doing that??
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Old October 17th, 2011, 02:11 AM   #7
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10 bucks says the first crossover becomes the last for this prototype.
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Old October 17th, 2011, 02:14 AM   #8
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In R&D it is not unusual to take a 'flyer'... a flying leap in a non-intuitive direction in order to challenge "known truths". Sometimes there are technology developments off on the side which can make a previously untenable approach now feasible. For the longest time all aircraft had to have flat or dihedral wing angles in order to be aerodynamically stable because humans couldn't react fast enough for extended periods of time to keep an anhedral wing from flipping over. Now, fly-by-wire has computers flying dynamically unstable fighter aircraft, giving them a performance edge in agility.

Perhaps something can be learned from this novel boot/frame setup. I doubt that any radical new enabling technology has been invented here... but rather rearranging of known elements. The bottom line is performance and effeciency. It will be interesting to see where this leads!
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Old October 17th, 2011, 03:16 AM   #9
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It doesn't pass the "look test" - if that makes sense. For instance, when I first opened up this post, I immediately thought, something doesn't look right about this picture. Who knows though? I could be completely wrong. However, when something looks odd, it usually skates a little odd too. When the Bont 3-pts came out, they looked different, but I didn't question the design right from the get-go. They appeared to be structually sound. It's almost like Luigino just said, "We need to be innovative. The 3-pt design is already out there, so let's try a 1-pt design."
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Old October 17th, 2011, 03:24 AM   #10
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It will put more force on the mounting bolts for sure, hope that the mountings are built stronger. Alignment will not be as fine. JMO
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Old October 17th, 2011, 04:13 AM   #11
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It looks so weird, but that explaination MIGHT be right. I noticed that the 3PF is a little flexy here and there...

Would be interesting how light/stiff they could make that setup. On a side note, like the boot design regardless of the new 1 point, lol.
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Old October 17th, 2011, 05:45 AM   #12
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Two thoughts:
1) How much does this affect the positioning of the frame's location on the boot for adjustment?

2) Is this considered a single point mount scheme, and is it meant to keep weight more evenly distributed across all wheels? Id so, how much, if any flex there does it allow?

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Old October 17th, 2011, 01:58 PM   #13
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I thought the boot was pretty, too......but I ain't skatin' on it! LOL
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Old October 17th, 2011, 02:26 PM   #14
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I bet I could get some good wheelie time by sitting back on them.
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It doesn't pass the "look test"...
Well, neither did the horseless carriage.
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Old October 17th, 2011, 05:29 PM   #16
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Strange true.
But I remember not to many years ago a top indoor skater telling my son 100 wheels would never work, to big, can't turn etc.
Before that in rec skates K2 was told soft boots would never work.
I don't know if they will ever work, but no one does until they try it.
Bet some one ask a cave man "what do you think you can do with that dumb round thing"
Time will tell.
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Old October 17th, 2011, 06:10 PM   #17
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Old October 17th, 2011, 06:16 PM   #18
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Sorry, I had too....






I guess the concept isn't that new....

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Old October 17th, 2011, 06:20 PM   #19
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So far, nobody has said they want to go out and buy one. I would be worried about, bigger, stronger skaters using this. Maybe it migjht be more for a beginner?

Even a concept as weird as LandRollers generated some comments about folks wanting to try some. This looks about as practical as a kickbike.
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Old October 17th, 2011, 06:57 PM   #20
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hey i will skate on it if they send me one in my size 15
i am pritty sher that i will brake the boot or the frame

got back frome va yesterday my first meat and i got 4 1st place medles in junior and nov junior
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